MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD? Was LaVoy Finicum Reacting to First Shot or Reaching for Gun?

The FBI, over a day after the shooting of LaVoy Finicum, finally released aerial footage – but no video from the ground – of what the agency says happened in Oregon (see the enhanced video below). Assuming that the video is legit, does it look like Finicum reached for a gun or was reacting to being shot? Why did the agent on the right run toward the vehicle as it plowed into the snow bank? What was the agent on the left dragging in the snow with his left arm after apparently shooting LaVoy Finicum? Please comment below.

See the enhanced video HERE.
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Watch: The Last-Standing Oregon Militia Men Say They Are ‘Willing to Die’ If the FBI Won’t Give in to Their Demands

By Daily Mail Online Reporter. Four militiamen are still refusing to leave the Malheur National Wildlife Reserve where they have been locked in a 27-day stand-off with police, which has left one dead; 11 arrested and has brought widespread condemnation from the local community.

In a live video broadcast from the Oregon ranch this week, one of the last-standing members, said he believes the FBI is ‘going to kill them’, but refused to leave unless the authorities would meet their demands.

Another militiaman added he is ‘willing’ to die in a final bloody siege with the authorities if negotiations fail. Their comments come after the last leader of the occupation voluntarily handed himself in at a police checkpoint.

However, the group’s number is continuing to dwindle rapidly. The five remaining members quickly dropped to four on Thursday morning. (Read more from “The Last-Standing Oregon Militia Men Say They Are ‘Willing to Die’ If the FBI Won’t Give in to Their Demands” HERE)
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Where Was the FBI During the Armed Standoff in Oregon? Out of Sight, but Listening and Watching

By Nigel Duara. As the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon dragged on for most of January, local law enforcement was spread thin and federal agents were nowhere to be seen.

Behind the quiet facade, however, the FBI was running surveillance on the occupation and recording the activists’ public statements, mostly drawn from media reports and the activists’ use of social media, while FBI agents encouraged locals to report their experiences with the new strangers in town.

According to the allegations in an indictment and supporting affidavit, the FBI was collecting information that confirmed the occupiers were armed, angry and willing to die.

The court documents detail how a source told a Harney County sheriff’s officer that the protesters “had explosives, night vision goggles, and weapons and that if they didn’t get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.” The documents show that authorities grew concerned as the occupiers used increasingly heated rhetoric when discussing their plans and the occupation. (Read more from “Where Was the FBI During the Armed Standoff in Oregon? Out of Sight, but Listening and Watching” HERE)
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UPDATE: Over 24 hours after the incident in question, and after repeated demands by websites like Restoring Liberty, the FBI finally released a video of what allegedly happened during the LaVoy Finicum killing. However, neither audio nor video from the numerous officers on the ground was released. Here’s an enhanced video – from the FBI’s aerial recording – of the shooting:

As you watch the video, keep in mind that LaVoy Finicum wore his pistol on his right hip, as depicted here:

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  • MikefromNC

    Looks like he was reaching inside his coat for something. Bad idea when law enforcement officers are pointing guns at you.

    • Me…

      You i think are partially correct. After watching the shooting scene several times, I saw Mr. Finicum, as you mentioned, “reach” for “something inside his coat”. You could be terribly mistaken or maybe correct although it is difficult to determine with this video. We NEED to see all of the other UNEDITED videos to see the TRUTH of the situation. It appears to me that the “reaching” you mentioned is his automatic reaction to being hit. A reflex type action reacting to the pain of taking a hit. He was being shot at and most likely hit from at least 2 different directions. The people deserve and expect to have the ENTIRE video released to show the truth of this situation.

      • Vikki

        I agree – his hands are clearly in the air – I think he was reacting to being shot

        • Naturalism

          6:03 and 6:05, he is reaching for “something” in his pocket, the same pocket (area) where he had a loaded gun.

          Maybe he wanted a stick of gum. You can all cling to that belief if you want to, but if you are surrounded by cops with guns, my advice is don’t reach into the pocket where your gun is. Don’t reach into any pockets at all.

          • TruthToBeTold

            Stop spreading your gobbledygook. Lying is a sin.

            The truth is that he was shot in the side with his hands up. An automatic reaction would be to hold the wound. That’s what he did. The shooters kept telling him to put your hands up. He tried to keep his hands up but the pain was to overwhelming . That’s why he kept lowering his hands. The second time he lowered his hands is when another shooter ambushed him from the woods and fatally shot him in the back. The lawsuits are already being filed.

          • Naturalism

            Bro, we can all watch the video, he never has his hands “up” for even one second, ever. We know that was a fabrication of the other arrestees.

            Oh, yeah, and totally, he was totally surrendering to the cops at *that* moment after refusing them during a four-minute conversation beforehand, and then trying to ram or run past a roadblock, run over an agent, and run around willy nilly in the snow.

            “Okay, yeah he did all that, but THEN he was totally surrendering.”

            No. Nobody believes that you actually mean that. It’s ridiculous.

          • TruthToBeTold

            You need new glasses skippy.

          • ArmyCombatVet

            UnNaturalism is a sick little anti-gun coward who is making stuff up to support his warped view of reality. I’m a combat veteran, a former range officer and personal defense instructor. Everything unNaturalism says is total BS. He’s an ignorant troll! TruthToBeTold you have a pretty good handle on what occurred. The video is poorly presented and makes the case for the victim being executed! The number of supposed shots fired by the overreaching FBI is outrageous and a marked amateur overreaction!

            I don’t know about you but the face this moron Naturalism posts with is beyond demented! What the hell does this little POS know about a firefight where there is no exchange of fire. Hands up, 73 years old, struggling in the deep snow, grabbing his best in response to taking a bullet. This was a premeditated execution and the massive fire loosed upon the vehicle he exited from where no return fire was at issue is a massive overreaction to what seemed like a non-event from my perspective! Nobody was firing from the stopped SUV!

          • TruthToBeTold

            The photos of the shot up vehicle need to be released so the public can see just how vile and rogue this federal government has gotten.

          • ArmyCombatVet

            Your absolutely correct but let’s not hold our collective breath as the evidence, if released unaltered, would support pre-meditated murder! The Constitution clearly begins with “WE The People” not an all powerful, criminal federal government! Mr. Finicum was an American patriot and a rancher. He was murdered by the very thugs that his tax dollars pay for! What an irony!

          • TruthToBeTold

            If you actually view the video the ambush was set up on a curve. They couldn’t even see the blocked road until it was to late. Instead of ramming the cars head on he turned into the snowbank to avoid them and the idiot that ran out in front of the vehicle shooting through the front windshield hitting the passenger. Get a clue, Skippy. Its all going to come out in court. So chill with the you’re gobbledygook. You look foolish.

  • mikecnj

    Video image looks like,it was taken from the ISS.
    What the hells with that?

    Prima facia : cold-blood.
    What do,we,do,about it?

  • CaptTurbo

    Tyrannical murder no matter how you slice it. Very badly handled.

    • henryknox

      This was intended to be a warning from a tyrannical gov’t that there will be a new response to protests. The Constitution has been thrown out and ‘we have ways’ to make you comply.

      • CaptTurbo

        I’m afraid you’re right but I’m sure they will be very surprised when Americans find their last nerve. Murdering Patriots is not acceptable.

      • Naturalism

        A protest is when you make a witty sign and march in front of a capitol building. Using threats of violence to invade public land isn’t protest, it’s insurrection.

        And that’s cool and all, insurrection is exactly what they are calling for, but let’s not pretend that it’s “protesting”. The British went to war when our founding fathers fomented insurrection, so these buffoons in Oregon will need to raise a militia capable of defeating the American government. That’s how nations are created. And if they fail, then that’s how insurrections are put down.

        • henryknox

          Can you then tell me how many shots were fired by these so called violent purveyors of insurrection? By the way, I don’t really think there were a lot of people wanting access to that abandoned building in the middle of nowhere.

        • TruthToBeTold

          And a proper arrest isn’t when law enforcement set up a Bonnie and Clyde ambush and become the Judge and Jury without giving U.S. citizens due process. The officer that fatally wounded LaVoy was hiding in the woods and shot him in the back.

  • heilbama

    FBI does NOTHING about the Jihad camps – just lets them continue to train, gather weapons and prepare to kill Americans. They get to pick and choose who to arrest, who to kill. Funny how they choose to EXECUTE White Americans. Maybe, under Obama’s terrorist regime, the FBI is full of MUSLIM THUGS now? I no longer trust them, no longer respect them and think they are nothing but freaking bullies. Time to take down this filthy, tyrannical government and Obamas Nazi thugs.

    • Keepitrealsantacruz

      You find me an incident where a group of people of color occupied federal buildings for 3 weeks before the govt. stepped in and stopped it and I’ll join your complain.

      Until then, you’re just mixing apples and oranges and it doesn’t fly. Go ahead and take down the government, you can be the next Lavoy.

    • Naturalism

      You mean, the Jihad camps we’re currently blowing up in Syria? Or different ones?

  • Dowhatsrigh

    Why did the FBI find it necessary to block out the time stamp and stuff on the video. Also, this video has been altered. I don’t know who did it, but this video was altered.

  • Keepitrealsantacruz

    The fbi agent wasn’t running towards the vehicle, as you claim. Watch the video. He’s standing behind the parked vehicle. Fincum appears as if he’s about to plow into that vehicle. The agent can either run towards the snow and off the road or in the other direction and remain on the road. He runs towards the snow. And then Fincum veers off the road and the agent has made the wrong choice, but he’s still clearly running back/away, not “charging” the vehicle.

    You guys will spin almost anything, wontcha.

    Except I notice most of you have shut up defending the lie that your eyewitness told about 120 shots being fired, because theres no way to spin that fantasy now that the video is out.

    RIght minded people see the truth: A criminal was on the run, he almost plowed a road block, an agent jumped aside instinctively. Your criminal Lavoy jumped out and initially raised his hands…but then he remembered his tarp speech promise and the stupid kicked in and he went for his pistol…and they iced him.

    Hero martyr my butt..

    • henryknox

      Just think the outrage if they had began shooting the occupiers of the Wisconsin state house.

      • Naturalism

        The occupiers of the state house:

        1. Didn’t carry weapons
        2. Didn’t make death threats
        3. Didn’t assault other people who wanted to use the building
        4. Didn’t resist arrest
        5. Didn’t reach for guns

        So, yeah, it would have been outrageous if they had shot those people.

    • Jester

      Your bias is clear by your words. You have taken an “us and them” approach which is evident by referring to eyewitness Victoria Sharp as “your” eyewitness. You refer to a man engaged in the civil disobedience of occupying an empty federal building as a criminal. And again, “your” criminal. Makes one wonder if you ever were as vocal about Eric Holder occupying a manned federal building by force of arms, for which he was allowed to eventually exit without charges and becoming the US Atty General.

      Furthermore, you neglect that the video shows that during the original stop when Lavoy willingly pulled over, there were flashes of light early on, and then right before he pulled away. Which seems to corroborate his passenger Victoria’s claim that they were shot at during the initial stop. They did not fire at the LEO’s at that point, or the FBI would have made a point of it at press time. So how do you justify LEO’s firing upon them? Lavoy drove away from a threat. Most people being shot at from behind unprovoked might flee forward into the clear.

      And later down the road after realizing that he was set up, Lavoy tries to get around the roadblock and fails, not trusting these LEO’s to be any more reasonable than the ones behind him. He instantly came out with his hands up and proceeded to get clear of his vehicle likely to draw all attention and any fire away towards him. He was reportedly verbally challenging them to shoot him if that was what they were going to do anyway. Without audio we cannot be sure whether or not he was fired upon first before he reached to his coat. If not, he was suicidal and that reflects poorly on him. If so, he was going to defend himself after hearing shots or possibly being hit.

      There was little if any speculation in what I wrote above. That is how you analyze without bias. Somehow I can’t imagine you will take the lesson, but one can always hope for the best.

      • Keepitrealsantacruz

        Surly you jest when you maintain that there is “little if any speculation” in what you wrote above? It’s riddled with it man.

        For starters, you’re placing HUGE faith in the unsubstantiated claims of an 18 year old girl who is biased herself. You want to claim that my bias is clear? Hey man, I didn’t drive 1500 miles to serenade these occupiers with christian love songs like little Victoria did. Nor did I make a claim of being an eyewitness who “saw” them fire 120 shots, while at the same time admitting that I was lying on the floor of the truck where you can’t see anything, as Ms. Sharp did.

        So if were talking bias and speculation; you’ve not left yourself a leg to stand on. You’ve taken the unsubstantiated claims of a biased witness and spouted it as fact. And not just any biased witness, but one whose already been definitively been shown to be a liar on at least two counts:

        -Where were the 120 gunshots she claimed were fired?

        -Why was he not “on his knees with his arms raised” as she claimed?

        You have a proven liar as your proof, unsubstantiated possibilities of gunshots because you see a flash of light in a video…but I’m the one biased and conjuring? Duuuude….you’re the pot calling the kettle black.

        • Jester

          What you call “unsubstantiated claims” are what we have to go on as Victoria was the only eyewitness to speak. Your claim that she is biased in her account because she was a supporter of the occupiers is an educated guess, but speculation. You obviously did not listen to her testimony closely if at all. She never claimed Lavoy was on his knees. And you don’t need to be able to see gunfire by the way, unless you are deaf. Are you really that obtuse?

          And you misconstrued what I wrote. The flashes would add weight to her claim that they were fired on at the first stop. Furthermore, if you watch either the unedited (480p) or the edited (1089p HD) footage from the FBI website, you can clearly see all the gunfire directed toward the truck after Lavoy was already dead. It continues for quite some time, and the result is all of the broken windows, and the fact that Ryan Payne was reported to have taken shrapnel hits.

  • southeast

    When watching the FBI video there is a time stamp at the upper left hand corner. Sometime around 35 and a half minutes the time stamp shifts to 42 minutes and several seconds. That missing 7 minutes of the video could be when the feds shot up the SUV with the folks inside, as the eyewitness stated. You know damn well the LEO’s all had body cameras on so why don’t they show those videos?

    • Naturalism

      That doesn’t happen in the video posted on this page. Can you point to the video you’re talking about? I’d be interested in that.

      This video does have several minutes after the shooting, so your timeline would need to be “LaVoy is shot, then a bunch of time goes by where everything is calm, then cops gather around an SUV and shoot it up”. That would be weird, but not impossible.

  • dufus

    If having your arms outstretched as the video shows you are reaching for a gunj, where was it, in the sky? If you want to stand up for the agents you are just as bad. It’s a four letter word, LIES. If these people were black it would be a whole different story.Try to deny that!

    • Naturalism

      Hi dufus, you should watch the video. He never has his hands up at all, he does a sort of weird arms-out motion as he leaps from his car. Then he drops both arms and reaches for his gun at 6:03 and 6:05 in the video.

      When cops have guns pointed at you, you should NOT reach for your loaded weapon, especially if you’ve previously made death threats against those very cops. If you do, you’re likely to get yourself shot.

      • TruthToBeTold

        He didn’t exit the car with a gun. Where did you hear that?

        • Naturalism

          It was in the pocket he was reaching for.

          But you know, maybe there was also some Doublemint and he wanted to freshen his breath.

          • TruthToBeTold

            That’s not true. He didn’t have a gun when he exited the vehicle. He was unarmed because he had guns pointed at him skippy.

          • Naturalism

            As reported in all stories, he had a semi-automatic handgun in a holster where he was reaching.

            And, maybe, a pack of gum. He chose the wrong moment to freshen his breath. /rolls eyes

            Maybe he should have complied with the lawful orders to surrender to arrest. After that it was all down hill for LaVoy.

          • TruthToBeTold

            You’re reading stories. I’m citing facts. He was unarmed you nitwit.

          • Naturalism

            Oh, right, you’re “citing facts”.

            Okay, where were you in that video? Were you in one of the cars there? Does the video cut out before we see you rush to the corpse before anyone else and search him for guns? Wow what a conspiracy, and here you are blowing the lid off of it!

          • TruthToBeTold

            You have fallen behind the times skippy. The enhanced video at The Washington Standard dubunked all your garble. Give it up already you look like a fool.

      • ArmyCombatVet

        That Halloween face again, can’t we have that banned? I’m not going to respond to you after this because I refuse to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man or whatever that face is! By the way there are 35 confirmed muslim terrorist training camps throughout America who are training to overthrow our nation, the FBI cowards know they exist, where they are and all we hear from FBI is crickets! But hey, the real threat are American citizens, veterans supporting an intergenerational ranching family being aggressed by the federal government to try to steal their land as they did flooding out other ranchers in that area to claim the mineral rights, like uranium for free! I’m sure that’s what the founders had in mind when they founded our nation of freedom, liberty and justice for all!

        • Naturalism

          ” By the way there are 35 confirmed muslim terrorist training camps throughout America who are training to overthrow our nation, ”

          Oh, you mean citizens keeping and bearing arms? I bet it stinks for you to realize that everybody else gets the same rights you get.

          If you want to discuss a Constitutional change which would allow us to infringe on the rights of people keeping and bearing arms in terrorist training camps, I’m open to that topic.

  • TruthToBeTold

    What was he saying before they shot him?

    • Naturalism

      ALLAHU AKBAR! ALLAHU AKBAR!

      Oh, sorry, wrong crazy rant. I meant.

      LIBERTY! CONSTITUTION! NO HOMOS! ARGLE BARGLE!

  • David M. Andrews

    Well, the video that they have released is too much out of focus, is at too high an elevation (it needs to be enlarged and focused). The video, as released, did a great job of looking like a cold blooded execution to me. I wonder why no effort was made to render first aid? it appears that they shot him and simply left him laying in the snow to die. This entire thing appears to be despicable! If the FBI, state Police etc. made justified shots then they need to release video that is clear enough to show their innocence. This is just my personal opinion based on what has been provided for me to view.

    • Edward Robertson

      They had to prevent themselves from being shot by the other guy in the truck.

      • David M. Andrews

        The video does not show that. Maybe you are right. I cannot agree or disagree. Again, they need to provide a video that is sufficiently in focus and clear that shows innocence or guilt. Did the other guy in the truck act as if he were planning to shoot at them? If so, how do you know that? Where did you see that in the video?

        • Edward Robertson

          There are explosions around the truck. Later the other 2 exit the vehicle with hands up.

        • Naturalism

          “Did the other guy in the truck act as if he were planning to shoot at them?”

          Yes, they did, by occupying a federal building and making credible death threats against law officers for a whole month.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            “credible death threats”? SHOW EVIDENCE.

          • Naturalism

            Dude, a gang of madmen with machine guns posted videos online calling for the death of federal agents. That’s way, way beyond the legal standard of a credible threat. That’s actual declared insurrection.

    • Susan Lopez

      This just makes me so mad, yes why did they not try to administer aid? It is hard to see clearly what Lavoy was doing but I feel he may have been trying to figure out what to do. He looks like he is just turning not pulling a gun. I mean he had the FBI on him with guns I am sure he was at least a little worried. Damm government anyway this is what it will eventually come down to for many people. Just see what happens when they try to ban guns and people resist.

      • Naturalism

        He probably should have “tried to figure out what to do” before, not after, taking these steps:

        1. Illegally breaking and entering a federal facility
        2. Making death threats against law agents
        3. Driving erratically at high speed
        4. Attempting to blow past a lawful road block
        5. Attempting to run over a law agent
        6. Jumping out of his vehicle, against orders
        7. Dashing at law officers
        8. Reaching for a gun

        Yes, after all those things, perhaps he didn’t know what to do next. But you know, sometimes you just need to think about consequences earlier.

        I’m sad that the man died. Really. It didn’t need to come to that. It was all his fault, and I wish he hadn’t done that to himself.

      • Edward Robertson

        Any more confrontations like this, and it will provide the fodder the anti-gun nuts need to confiscate all of our weapons.
        When you attempt to run a blockade, and try to run over an officer (attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon) you don’t get the same calmness that a simple traffic stop provides.

    • Jeff Brodhead

      Seems like (after hearing the interviews with the women in LaVoy’s truck) that the execution team wanted to be sure LaVoy was dead, prior to allowing the passengers a chance to see LaVoy, or maybe render assistance.

      Before and after LaVoy was shot, the passengers were pinned down by bullets riddling the truck (must have been the windows and above, so as not to kill the passengers), THEN, after the passengers were all out of the truck and the execution team asked repeatedly if there was anyone else in the truck, riddled the rest of the truck with bullets.

      If the video quality had not been reduced, intent would have been more obvious, because actions would be more visible.

      IMO

  • c-cs

    don’t trust anything this gvt. (and its agencies) does–it is corrupt- and – grabs land –and other assets- from the citizens–much like the ‘royals’ of old–
    Life- Liberty- PROPERTY– original wording of the Declaration..sent to the ‘royals’ of England-
    C-CS

    • Keepitrealsantacruz

      Ayup, the sneaky dogs ‘grabbed” this land back in 1908.

      Try to keep up with your conspiracy theory timelines, would ya? It’s been 108 years, hardly a recent land grab.

      • Susan Lopez

        No one stole land in 1908 don’t tell me you are talking about land that was settled on that was owned by no one.

  • Jm

    I hope Trump fires all of the FBI. This is ridiculous. Where are the FBI shoulder cameras? Most important issue in America and no ground cameras. No way the guy pulls a gun on a mob pointing guns at him. I bet there are 90 million Americans with semi automatic rifles that are buying more ammo after this fiasco.

    • Naturalism

      “I demand video before I believe this!”
      Okay, here’s the video.
      “Oh, shucks, well I demand different video before I believe this!”
      No. Videos won’t make you believe. You’ll deny every single one forever.

  • reggiec

    I watched the video several times and I never saw any weapon in Finicum’s hands. In addition the shooter shot him from behind and could not see any weapon he might have had. It looked to me that Finicum was flinching and grabbing at bullet wounds that partially turned him to the side before he was shot from behind. The autopsy should tell the truth IF it is done honestly.
    In addition did anyone notice the multiple sprays of snow from bullets striking along the passenger side of the white truck and the multiple flashes from around the vehicle.
    It looked like an all out assault to me.

  • Edward Robertson

    Let me see. If they wanted to murder any, why not all? Why offer even poor and grainey footage that is questionable and not stonewall? Why are we jumping strait to murder and not think that the guy didn’t have a firearm and didn’t try to entice the officers on the scene to shoot? Before we condemn the officers on the scene, let’s remember that if he were to actually give up, and not try to run one of the officers over, and had left when the locals told them to go (when they promised to leave if the local populace asked them to), or when the Hardin County Sheriff offered an armed escort to the Nevada boarder. The point was made. Pushing the community to that point of asking for the Feds to show up because of harassment of the local community is not what the Tea Party, or Militias are about.

    • ArmyCombatVet

      Hey Edward the man had his hands up, was shot in that position, then shot in the back by that FBI back shooting coward and then these sissies opened up with a barrage of rounds fired at the vehicle in the snow bank. There was no return fire! Every one of these blood thirsty agents should be tried for murder and given the same execution they gave to this old man trying to surrender! The men had a right to be there, they were protecting the ranchers constitutional rights that were being violated by federal government abuse of power. The lands outside of DC and forts and ports provided at the discretion of the people of those states belong to the people and the states there in! The federal government has been stealing the land belonging to the people in the Western part of America going way back. The people own America, not our employees! The local Sheriff is a joke, just ask the citizens!

      • Edward Robertson

        I saw him lower his hands at least twice. He could be seen circling the officer to his front. There is no audio. My initial premise is still valid. If they were intending on committing murder, then why just one? Why do so with witnesses? Why present the little bit of video that is of the highest quality? Why present any video at all? You have convicted the officers at the scene without a trial, or all of the evidence. You are no better than the “black lives matter” groups or those who shoot cops in the back.

        • Naturalism

          If they wanted to murder these terrorists, they would have sniped them through windows at the occupied building. Or dropped a firebomb on them, whatever.

          • ArmyCombatVet

            What the hell do you know about engaging an enemy in a combat situation, which by the way this wasn’t! One other thing……..it’s not halloween so take the mask off!

          • Naturalism

            I compare this situation to that pirate situation back in 2009, where they sniped all of the terrorists at the same instant through multiple windows. If you want to murder a bunch of armed militants, that’s how the American government makes it happen.

            What they don’t do is set up a road block, ask pretty please to comply with a lawful arrest, chase people around in the snow, and wait for them to reach for their guns — before, you know, carrying out their dastardly plan of murder.

        • ArmyCombatVet

          Wrong………the victim’s SUV was full of witnesses who claimed the vehicle was riddled with bullets. They also saw the murder of their driver up close and personal, there were family members in the SUV! I saw the video, he had this hands up and was shot in the back and front, shot multiple times! A conviction in this case is easy. The man who was shot was surrounded by overwhelming fire power, he was an older rancher and very well respected in his community. Just what do you know about weapons engagement? High powered rifles firing a significant number of rounds at an unarmed man with his hands in the air, really? How many combat missions have you been engaged in where controlled fire, carefully addressing the target and qualifying aggressive intent before engaging an enemy was confirmed……hmm? These people you moron weren’t terrorists, they were American citizens exercising their Constitutional rights in support of a rancher who has been denied his by a criminal government violating that very Constitution. The lands outside the ten square miles of DC, and forts and ports provided by the states belong to we the people and the states wherein they live! Government takeover of huge swaths of Western States land is unconstitutional per the tenth amendment! The land in question has been the legal property of the Hammond’s for generations, the feds were trespassing and threatening overwhelming force!

          • Edward Robertson

            Looking at the vehicle in question, I don’t see any bullet holes. Maybe the poor quality, or “Photoshopped” but you would expect to see some evidence on the vehicle, even from a distance (broken glass, bullet holes in the white paint).
            The sheriff being an idiot, there is some call for that, in hind sight. If I, or my father had been the sheriff, we would have :
            1. Turned off the power, phone, cell phone towers and natural gas. If it is going to be a siege, then let them deal with the wonderful winter weather we have up here (in comparison to Nevada).
            2. Arrested anyone that came into town for supplies. If they intended a siege, they should have brought supplies.
            3. Not given them a platform. If they wanted to have a say, they could have done so from Nevada.
            4. When the citizens of the town told them to go, enacted 1-3 above.
            5. Not promised them a harassment and arrest free escort back to the border. If they marched their asses up, they can march right back down the same way they came up, and with their tails between their legs. This is Oregon/Idaho/Washington, we don’t need idiots from California, Colorado, Nevada, or Utah to help us fight our battles. Keep your own back yard clean, and we will do the same.

      • Naturalism

        The man never had his hands up at all. He jumped out of the vehicle (against orders) and charged at officers with his arms out, like an aggressive football stance. We all know what raising your hands in surrender looks like, and it cannot be confused with “reaching into your holster”.

        • Total Mahem

          “Never had his hands up at all” and “Charged at officers” Good Grief………….
          You are 1 troubled individual my fren.
          Lordy lordy I hate ignorant trolls.

          • Edward Robertson

            Driving at a police officer with a vehicle is assault with a deadly weapon. They could have shot him through the windshield and be justified. Even if you do have your hands up, and begin to rail at the police officers instead of obeying the orders given, your are going to get shot. Police officers motto: “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6”. He already had proven a lack of regard for the police to the point of attempted murder. He had already proven a lack of respect for his word when he didn’t leave when he promised the community that he would if asked to by the community. The police could have just bum rushed that wildlife refuge and no news coverage. They not only gave them a platform to voice their concerns, but allowed them into town to get gas, food and other stores. The sheriff offered to escort them out of the state, no paperwork, no confiscation of arms, no muss, no fuss, everyone happy. They refused that kind and generous offer. What ever happened to any of them is on their own heads.

          • ArmyCombatVet

            And you were there when? He wasn’t trying to assault the FBI agent, wasn’t a police officer. He tried to stop when suddenly coming up on them, the road was slippery and he skidded into the snow bank. Not at all uncommon! The man, a 73 year old highly respected rancher wasn’t a terrorist, like those we have in our government! He was there supporting the rights of fellow ranchers who have be living on that property for generations while the government was violating their long held property rights without cause or due process. How would you like it the feds came into your home and started to take over your property handed down through generations because they wanted you mineral rights without due process, while they lit fires in your yard that you were forced to put out to protect your property and they arrested you for starting fires! The Hammond’s lit back fires to stop fires destroying their range land that the feds had lit to force them to abandon their long legally held property! Jefferson eloquently stated, “All that’s needed for tyranny to gain a foothold is for men of good conscience to remain silent” America has become an abject tyranny where we the people are treated as mere serfs by a tyrannical federal government and a gutless Supreme Court illegally making law, when their job is to uphold the Constitution as the law of the land and striking down any law that violates the rights of the majority of we the people!

          • Edward Robertson

            And the Hammonds agreed that they spent too little time in jail. The community asked them to leave. The local III% has disavowed the actions of the armed invaders. We are also talking about a rancher that won’t pay grazing fees on federal lands. Just because he owns the land surrounding federal land does not make that land his. That would be like saying that you can drive your car without tags, or a drivers license.

        • ArmyCombatVet

          There goes that face again……..look I saw the video, he had his hands up as he stumbled in the deep snow so his hands waved around a bit to keep his balance. So where were you that you know he was ordered to stay in his vehicle, hmm! Oh, and when did you play football and how did your football stance look when you were moving in deep snow! Charged the officers……really? Never happened, put the crack pipe down! Oh, and don’t talk to me about engagement. He wasn’t engaging, he was a 73 year old rancher trying to keep his balance in harsh conditions and not displaying a firearm! He knew he was severely outmanned with family in the SUV! Thank God I never served with a moron like you or I certainly would have been a combat casualty, worse than I was!!

          • Edward Robertson

            He fled from officers, causing them to chase him. If he wanted to surrender, he could have done so in the 4 minutes that he sat still while the other vehicle gave up. Instead, he drove off, and when he saw a barricade, drove off the side of the road. If a vehicle did that at a barrier you were standing watch on, what would you have done? What if you had reports that the individual in that vehicle was armed? If you wouldn’t have taken every precaution in dealing with that person, you stand being shot. If he were to surrender, honestly surrender, after trying to evade police, wouldn’t he do everything in his power to do nothing to give the police reason to shoot? I have been in deep snow. and trying to walk around is the last thing I would be doing. Kneel, hands up, waiting to be cuffed would have been my actions. That is giving up. Not what ever Finicum was attempting to do.

          • Naturalism

            That’s a fair point. He might have had his arms out for balance. Whatever the case, he sure as heck didn’t have his hands up. He sure as heck wasn’t surrendering.

            He was shot after a four-minute conversation with police who told them what to do if they wished to comply. After that, LaVoy tried to evade the road block, jumped aggressively for his car, and reached for his gun. Those are the actions of a man who wants to have a shootout with police, not the actions of a man who is ready to surrender to the law.

      • Edward Robertson

        The only ones calling the Hardin County Sheriff a joke are the east coat idiots and the conspiracy theory nuts. If he were such a joke, why do they keep voting for him?
        Stolen land? People have been buying up Federal land, and that land has been vacant (other than maybe native Americans who never had the concept of land ownership). You can still homestead in areas where there are no other people who live there. Eminent domain has been used, but not to create federal land, but often to take land from one private person to a private company.
        You may want to review federal property laws.

        • ArmyCombatVet

          Your also talking out of your nether region! The sheriff was a new inexperienced lawman who the citizens thought was over his head. He had not been re-elected multiple times! He is a joke and totally mishandled the situation! The land within a sovereign state’s boundaries belong to the states and the residents therein. The states can allow the feds property for forts and ports but outside of the tens square miles of DC, the founders placed strict limits on an overreaching federal government, fearing tyranny which is what we have today. They were clear in preventing the rise of an English feudal system in America. Their concern was never again! Let’s not even get into eminent domain, like where in the Constitution is it granted!

          • Edward Robertson

            Just because he is handling a bad situation the best way he can, and didn’t hand over the lands (for which there is no ability to, unless there is some “shadow government” [read conspiracy theories]) doesn’t mean that he mishandled the situation. Just where did that sheriff mishandle the situation? Do you even live in the general area? I live within and easy drive and the whole thing has been on my local tv and radio. You don’t have the first clue as to what that community was, and is, facing because of the armed intruders. I bet you live in a state that is well populated. Western states are sparsely populated. There are fewer people who live in the Boise Valley (From Boise, Idaho to Ontario, Oregon) than live on one block of New York City. That is the highest population density till you get to Portland, Oregon to the west, nothing to the north (including Canada), Reno, Nevada to the south, the Mississippi river to the East. I am exempting Denver, Colorado and Salt Lake City, Utah. When the states are willing to take up the cost of keeping up the lands, I am sure the feds would be willing to give them up. However, that is part of the land purchases made in the Louisiana Purchase. You may need to learn a bit about the west before you shoot off your mouth.

          • ArmyCombatVet

            Rule number one, I try not to get into a back and forth with an unarmed man, but that being said, you might want to review the geography of the Louisiana Purchase. Oh, one other thing I live in Idaho, not part of Louisiana Purchase, nor is Oregon and Utah! I would venture to say I know plenty about the West. As a former combat vet I spend a significant amount of time in the outdoors with other combat vets, and you? The purchase included the majority of Montana, Wyoming, about half of Colorado, New Mexico, most of Oklahoma, a small piece of Texas and stopped basically at the Eastern edge of the rocky mountains. The money used in the purchase was the people’s, collected over time by the federal treasury. It didn’t grow on trees, your point is? We the people own America, the feds operate at our behest. The tenth amendment clearly gives the states the upper hand over anything not specifically granted to the feds, such as dominion over the lands within the boundaries of the state, sovereign within it’s boundaries!

  • Total Mahem

    His hands were up until he was shot the FIRST time!
    He would have to be one tough muther to keep his hands up AFTER being shot!
    He was shot from behind by the guy running out from the woods.
    The guy from the woods shot him in the BACK!
    How could the federal coward see a gun if he had his back to him?
    That was DEFINEITELY an ambush!
    RELEASE ALL VIDEOS OF THIS MURDER!

    • Naturalism

      Mmm hmm. He reached for a gun after trying to blow a road block and run over an officer. And he did those things after illegally occupying a building for a month and making death threats.

      “Oh, but maybe he just wanted to itch his armpit, not reach for the gun which was, in fact, right in that pocket!”

      Yeah, maybe, and maybe he should have thought about that before all the other stuff he did wrong. Because when you’re surrounded by cops with guns, and you reach into the pocket where you do in fact have a pistol, then the likely outcome is that you get killed. So remember everybody, don’t do that.

      • Total Mahem

        Dang man, I wish I had superhuman eyes like yours! Though I agree with a few things you wrote, no one, including you my fren, can claim they saw him reach for a gun on that video. Maybe you should run it in slow motion so your mind can keep up with what just about everyone here saw?
        No need to reply with some garbage as I will not be back to read it. I usually don’t reply to people who have serious issues such as yours, but…………………….

        • Naturalism

          No need for slow mo, you can clearly see him reach *toward* his gun at 6:02 and 6:05, a moment before he is fatally shot.

          Was he reaching for his gun, or for some “other” thing in the same place? I guess we can never know, but if you’re resisting arrest and reach toward your gun, golly sometimes you get shot.

          • copakeman

            n please take your medications every day.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            “clearly”
            Wow.

      • Jeff Brodhead

        He was already being executed, before “reaching” toward his left side…

        YOU trust the word of the FBI, but you seem like the ‘type’ who really got into supporting “Occupy Wall Street” and “Hands Up-Don’t Shoot”.

        Or does “troll” just pay well?

        • Naturalism

          Definitely it’s the troll thing. It pays super super well.

    • joe

      this whole story from the start reeks of a corrupt government floating a test balloon out onto the population to test the response as in problem action solution. Parts 1&2 complete…….

  • C D

    This video is a release to get everyone to squabble over if it “is” or “is not” – while the real story of the rest of the hold outs begins. Need to focus on the refuge. No one would reach for a weapon with police rifles trained on them, if he was going to start shooting – he would have had his weapon at the ready exiting the vehicle. When the autopsy is done, need to see if there’s a gun shot to the L side from the back/side. That’s probably why the witnesses reported that (police/Fed) shot him several more times while he was down on ground. If he was shot in the head and went down, chances are he was out before dirt nap. And why did the cop turn his back and start away after LaVoy was down. If he was still going for a gun in his pocket, they would have run up and unloaded on him. It looks like he was holding his side. Hey America, this is coming to your house and family. My question is …… where is the III % ers that were suppose to be negotiating with the local Sheriff/Feds? I don’t see/hear anything about them. There statement was that they would be the line between the cops/Bundy supporters. Hmmm

    • Naturalism

      “No one would reach for a weapon with police rifles trained on them”

      Nobody? Did you even watch the video? There were police rifled trained on him, and he reached for his weapon. There it is in live action video. So at least one person would do that.

      • C D

        So where’s the gun? I watched the video, and with police standing with their guns drawn… the guy is just going to fumble in a pocket for a quick draw McGraw. OK
        I saw him out come out of the vehicle with hands up, you know above your head. And your very aggressive comment “like a football charge” or whatever, I’m sure he was mad as hell when the dumb ass jumped in front of him to cause a rollover or whatever he was thinking. But you know those evil cave dweller ranchers just want to be killed and so he
        “just had a suicide wish man” game over dude!!! Reach for my piss ant shooter and become a lead depository.
        Are you for real, or just another do good er that had a computer? I have to give the guy at least the benefit of the doubt. Why not show the gun he had, instead of everytime just showing just enough to inflame the internet junkies

        • Naturalism

          It’s in his pocket, where he was reaching. “Reaching for a weapon” is what we’re talking about, it’s what you asked about. Who would do that? LaVoy would do that. He reached for a weapon with police rifles trained on him.

          Don’t move the goalpost. You asked a question, you got an answer.

          • JerrySupportsIsreal

            And how can the LEO see the gun from behind? LaVoy had his back to the shooter. Do the police have ex-ray glasses see through closing?

          • Naturalism

            If you’re saying you want police to wait to see weapons before shooting, then I’m with you.

            But they don’t. If a known-armed-and-dangerous person is being arrested and puts hands into his pocket, today police will shoot that person. That’s the rules of engagement.

            And LaVoy did, in fact, have a loaded semiautomatic gun in that pocket, so we can’t even fall back on the claim that the police shot an unarmed man.

          • JerrySupportsIsreal

            Yes,I am saying the officer should make sure the item LaVoy was reaching for was a weapon. I have been through a simulator back in the 90’s were one of the shoot/don’t shoot computer generated training scenario was of a young man that was deaf, and pulled out a wallet from his pocket. We had less than a second to make the call to shoot, or don’t shoot. Those of us that shot the young man failed the test.

            Also we don’t know what orders were being given to LaVoy at the time of the shooting. No sound from the engagement was given.
            A normal person that may be expecting a gun fight would have his/her weapon in hand before exiting the vehicle.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            “known…dangerous”

            Back to the deadman roadblock – THAT in itself was use of lethal force. It was located just North of a blind curve. Watch the brake lights on the truck – they are ON nearly the entire length of the short straight section of road, until the truck was in the snow. The gray road block vehicle in the South-bound lane did NOT even have lights ON. The road block vehicle in the North-bound lane had head lights ON. In the center, was another vehicle,

            The idiot “agents” were located behind and between the road block vehicles, with a full-sized pickup headed their way, driven by a man purposely sent AT HIGH SPEED, toward the road block.

          • Naturalism

            If you brake, you slow down, not speed up. He could have braked five times over with extra time still.

            Plus, let’s remember, he was in fact a fugitive running from an arrest at that moment. Yeah, sometimes we intercept criminals in vehicles running from arrest.

          • Naturalism

            I re-watched the video based on your bait, and wow you’re right, he has the brakes on for nine straight minutes! Oh wait, those are tail lights.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            You make an assumption that he would keep a gun in a pocket. Typically he kept a revolver holstered on his RIGHT HIP (so right-handed, verified by people who knew him)

            What kind of gun can you keep in your pocket?

          • Naturalism

            Not literally pocket, but a holster on his left breast, where his left breast pocket might be. If we “wasn’t reaching for his gun” then the left breast pocket would be the only thing he could be reaching for. So, maybe he had some Tic-Tacs in that left pocket and wanted to freshen his breath.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            Do you think holding your hand up is something YOU could consciously maintain, once the bullets start ripping through your torso?

          • Naturalism

            Me? I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t do that. I also would not:

            * Illegally occupy government property
            * Make death threats
            * Call a little girl a wh ore
            * Hide my manhood behind a gun
            * Run from the cops
            * Try to evade arrest
            * Attempt an end-run around a road block
            * Jump out of my car like a lunatic screaming at the police
            * Reach for my gun

            So, you know, me and LaVoy are pretty different people.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            “So, you know, me and LaVoy are pretty different people.”

            180° Different: While the DEATH of LaVoy is humanity’s loss, it seems the LIFE of “Naturalism” is also.

      • joe

        this man was very clearly shot once and probably twice by agent cop state trooper whatever with a handgun standing on the edge of the road @ approx 6:02 and again @ 6:04 causing a natural reaction of his arms dropping and stunning/confusing him while “sharpshooter” who did not appear to be in a life threatening situation as evidenced by his willingness to unnecessarily close in on target with a high powered rifle and deliver a kill shot at just over point blank range while completely disregarding the cross-fire situation he had put his colleagues in by doing so which would explain why he backed off and re positioned at a better angle in terms of safety to his accomplices instead of retreating to behind that tree he was hiding behind and providing cover for the other team members while they dealt with the remaining occupants

        • Naturalism

          Uh huh, and again, this was after LaVoy refused to submit to arrest when his vehicle was pulled over, attempted to ram a road block, attempted to run over an agent, jumped out of his car screaming in contravention of orders, and then reached for his gun.

          You want police to wait longer before shooting arrestees? Tell it to the Black Lives Matter folks, Joe.

    • Edward Robertson

      Anyone with a death wish, wanting to commit “suicide by cop”, or not wanting to go to prison. Those are the people that would pull out, or attempt to pull out a firearm in front of police with weapons drawn.
      Where is the III%? Telling the idiots on the refuge to stand down, go home and get out of Oregon (they are from Nevada).
      Where is the sheriff? He was there, and pissed that someone was shot, let alone having to be killed. In the press conference he is visibly shook up and oscillating between pissed at the protesters and sad about the death.

      • Jeff Brodhead

        “…someone was shot, let alone HAVING TO BE KILLED.”
        [emphasis mine, to show a really BIG assumption on your part]

        • Edward Robertson

          Your answer, Jeff, is what I would expect from an anti-gun nut. I would try to leave the intentions of the individual with the individual. The title of the article is making an assumption. The majority of the statements made are making assumptions about the intentions of the LEOs.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            You assume LaVoy was attempting to pull out a weapon.

          • Edward Robertson

            I am assuming that the LEOs at the scene believed that he was. When I was training in the Navy to be a base LEO, we trained for felony stops. The one thing you do is tell the person to stay still, get on knees an wait to be handcuffed.

          • Jeff Brodhead

            Yeah, well, I’m assuming that since (according to two witnesses, so far), a “LEO” fired a nearly deadly shot at Ryan Payne, without provocation and when he had his hands and head out the window, they were intending to initiate a high-speed pursuit into the deadman road block.

            Once that shot was fired, the occupants of the vehicle may very well be justified in taking whatever means for self-defense they could muster.

            We will see, even if not in this lifetime, we shall see.

  • Naturalism

    Oooooooh, of course, I should have known, we’re on to conspiracy theories now. You’re expecting me to believe “he was shot once, and he was totally unfazed, merely reaching into his pocket for no reason; then he was shot again and the second bullet was magical so he dropped like a stone. MURDER!”

    Does anybody have a KitKat bar? Because I need a break.

    • C D

      Hey do those glasses actually give you 20/20 vision? I know that stranger things have happened to good people. You know that the cops shoot and ask questions later, their such puss_es that their like high 5 ing on who was the bad as_ big dawg, ya’ll. I think the news even said “the FBI held back and that it was the OSP who actually did this stop/shooting”. So they were already scared to death that the boogey man was coming their way, and they were going to have to bad that “terrorist”
      Only one’s that need kit kat to get a break when good people are gunned down by barney fiffe are trolls

      • Naturalism

        If you want to just poop on cops, that’s cool, I’ll join you. I think maybe cops should show more restraint before shooting potentially threatening people. But they don’t. If you’re under arrest and you reach for a gun, cops will shoot you, and that’s what happened in this case. Should cops wait until you fire first? Maybe. But they don’t.

        But cops are pussies? Is that your thesis? Okay I’m with you, largely.

  • gunnerv1

    He lowered his Hands/Arms four separate times. The bright flashes after the shooting are “Flash Bang” grenades being detonated next to the white vehicle.

  • THERE WAS NO REASON TO KILL HIM. THE GUY WAS A REASONABLE PERSON. A PRIVATE FIRST DAY IN BOOT CAMP COULD HAVE TALKED HIM INTO A PEACEFUL SURRENDER. THERE WAS NO ONE IN DANGER BUT HIM. HE WAS IN AN ISOLATED AREA AND NO THREAT TO ANYBODY. THE PEOPLE OF OREGON AND THEIR GOVERNOR ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS DEATH. RANCHERS, FARMERS AND ALL PATRIOTS ARE THE ENEMY OF THIS STALINIST MOVEMENT. THE KGB WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE MERCIFUL.

  • THE COMMUNIST MESSAGE FOR TODAY IS: YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. WHEN WE COME FOR YOUR GUNS YOU BETTER JUST TURN THEM OVER OR YOU WILL GET WHAT THAT FATHER OF 11 GOT. TRUMP IS THE ANSWER.

  • Kenneth Click

    After watching the video several times it seems clear to me that one of the FBI agents must have ordered him to drop his gun. He reaches for it (ready to drop it) but then abruptly draws back his hand because the first shot was probably fired (at his back) by the other agent hiding in the trees. He then sees what is happening – an ambush to trap and end his life – and in the last second he tries to defend himself from the lie and trap. Everyone MUST demand the “on ground” video with full AUDIO to know the truth!

    • Edward Robertson

      I am sure that more information will be provided once the shooting is examined. This is the reason why every time an officer is involved in a shooting, they are put on desk duty, to ensure that the shooting was a legitimate one.

      • TruthToBeTold

        I love how they investigate themselves. What a great Nation.

  • wandamurline

    Where are the camcorders on the vehicles? This is just one video which I am sure has been edited in order to protect the FBI….remember Ruby Ridge and Waco…..innocent women and children were murdered and set on fire by the gubment. This is why we cannot give up our guns….too many have died at the hands of their government after gun confiscation. Wake Up America.

  • Edward Robertson

    Murder (especially “cold blood”) requires a few things.
    1. Intent. Was the original intention of the law enforcement officers to kill Finicum?
    2. Malice of fore thought. Was there any way Finicum could have not been killed?Was the death of Finicum a tragedy? Absolutely. Were the actions of Finicum a factor in his death, more than likely. If he had given up like his compatriots, the Bundys, he may still be alive.

  • JerrySupportsIsreal

    I normally support the LEO’s, but in this case I see that the road block was setup on a curve. Thus making it very difficult to stop a vehicle traveling at 55 or 60 mph. And with snow melt and possibly low temperatures, the roads may be icy thus causing the white truck to not have the room to slow down before it would have struck the road blocked vehicles. Making the white truck either hit the road block vehicles or swerve off and hit the snow bank.

    Second, if LaVoy was going to have a shot out with the LEO’s, would he not have had his gun out and prepared when he exited the vehicle?

    Third, we don’t know what the officers were telling LaVoy at the time of the shooting. Could the one officer approaching him from the road be telling LaVoy to bring out his weapon and drop it on the ground? While that other shot LaVoy from behind?

    Forth, the officer that approached LaVoy from the woods must have very good eye sight. LaVoy had his back to that officer and a vest or jacket on. LaVoy reached in his jacket or vest with his left hand, while his right hand holding his jacket or vest out. Can a normal human being see through clothing. I sure can’t. How can the officer to LaVoy’s rear, see through his jacket or vest?

    Fifth, normally when an armed assailant is shot, is it not SOP to insure the weapon of the assailant is taken (secured), to insure that if the assailant is not deceased, he or she can not use the weapon further?