FBI’s Video of LaVoy Finicum Killing Raises More Questions Than It Answers

UPDATE: Over 24 hours after the incident in question, and after repeated demands by websites like Restoring Liberty, the FBI finally released a video of what allegedly happened during the LaVoy Finicum killing. However, neither audio nor video from the numerous officers on the ground was released. Here’s an enhanced video – from the FBI’s aerial recording – of the shooting:

As you watch the video, keep in mind that LaVoy Finicum wore his pistol on his right hip, as depicted here:


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Attorney KrisAnne Hall: LaVoy Finnicum, “Summarily Executed”

KrisAnne Hall, the legal advisor for the Coalition of Western States, was interviewed today on The Joe Miller Show. Ms. Hall, who was just in Burns, Oregon this last week teaching several constitutional law courses, spoke with protesters present at the refuge. She also discussed what happened regarding LaVoy Finicum’s shooting with Ammon Bundy’s sister.

Ms. Hall states that no shots were fired by any of the protesters, but that there were multiple shots fired by federal agents at the protesters’ car. She characterized the stop as an “ambush.” Additionally, Ms. Hall states that LaVoy Finicum was “summarily executed.”

Ms. Hall asks, “Does the federal government have the right to execute these people” without due process? Listen to the full interview here:


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LaVoy Finicum’s Daughter Says Her Dad Was Murdered

From LaVoy Finicum’s daughter’s (Thara Tenney’s) Facebook page:

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Interview With Victoria Sharps Who Claims She Was Present in the Vehicle at the Time of the Shooting

  • Bill Catz

    Any delayed video will be a staged one fabricated by the government. They can create a false video in less than 24 hours if they want to.

  • CaptTurbo

    I don’t want to believe this but I do. 🙁

  • Loretta

    I have yet to hear a story about this shooting by our government. It’sall silent. Is this a set up by the govenment giving a taste of martiallaw

    • Dr. Bob

      Loretta: Put the our in your post in quotes. It’s no longer our government. Sad but true.

      • Naturalism

        You’re right, Bob, it’s not your government, it’s OUR government.

        Sincerely,
        The Majority

        • sandraleesmith46

          No, it’s not and hasn’t been for about 150 years now. It’s been, and is, a private corporation beholden only to the banking houses of Europe and their master, Satan.

  • Mark Travers

    I trust the FBI and federal forces vs. these unstable and uneducated criminals. This situation ‘played out’ because of these ‘thugs’ were telling the Enforcement agencies they would shoot and kill if required. Amercia is a land of laws and these wacos don’t represent most Americans. If these guys were muslims, they would have been taken out a few days in. KrisAnne Hall’s comments are clearly very biased and slanted. She makes the claim that there was no reason for the gov’t actions. Really ? Really ? These thugs had been threatening the law enforcement agencies for many weeks ! Mrs. Hall is not giving a fair and balanced view of the other side. I support what the FBI did and the gov’t. These criminals were illegally holding gov’t facilities so they were breaking the laws.

    • Tired of gov tyranny

      You obviously have not been paying attention! So you believe all the Bengazi lies,the IRS lies, the ISIS was not made and supported by the U.S. That the dictators that have been taken out of power was not to make room for the one world dictator, Iraq, Egypt, Lybia,Syria, and in carters day we disposed of our ally and got the ayatollah in Iran. Hillary Clinton, Obama, are just on big lie. People have the right to object to unjust laws. These people have had their land taken by BLM FW for many years. People get tired of being pushed around. The courts is not following law in many cases across this country. I think we have lost our country!

    • StingraySFO

      Given your statement I take it you supported what the FBI did in Ruby Ridge and Waco. If that’s true, you are one of ‘them’ that believes the feds have blanket authority to ignore the Constitution that they are sworn to abide by.
      Remember this though…..one day, probably in the not too distant future, they’ll be coming for you too!

      • Mark Travers

        Nuts. Again, Ruby Ridge and Waco were about law enforcement trying to investigate crimes and these folks preventing them from investigating such as the child sex abuse at Waco. You only tell the part of the story that fits your agenda. I also notice you use a fake name to post. Coward.

        • StingraySFO

          Mark, you obviously don’t bother to check out what’s happened and is happening.
          First of all, Stingray is the name I’m known by from my covert operative days in the military, also when I was a deputy sheriff. So you think I’m a coward. You have no clue as to what I’ve been through. My given name is Lawrence Denning. I’m retired, a former multiple business owner and founder, a former automotive instructor, architect, horse ranch owner, and former adviser to Congress.
          Ruby Ridge was about the feds attempt to get Randy Weaver to violate the law by shortening the barrel of a shotgun making it illegal. He refused, so they decided to search his home and business. When they got to his home, they shot his son in the back, shot his dog, then as his wife stood in the open doorway, unarmed, with their baby in her arms, a sniper shot her in the face, killing her. That sniper was never charged, but was held responsible in the ensuing civil suit which Randy won. He was the same sniper that opened fire at Waco.
          Waco was about charges of weapons and suspected child abuse. When feds showed up in force to effect a search warrant, they encountered Koresch unarmed at the door, and as he went in and closed the door they opened fire, wounding him through the closed door. There is a documentary out that outlines the subsequent events almost minute by minute, with video. I suggest you find and watch it. You might learn something about what REALLY happened.

          • Mark Travers

            Yes, I/we know who you are. A flake.

        • JoeKirkup

          You need to do a bit more research Mark. Randy Weaver’s wife, son and dog were killed by the feds, but the court eventually found him guilty of nothing.
          In Waco the State of Texas had already conducted a full investigation and concluded there was no child abuse in the Branch Davidian compound. Were they religious wachos, probably but that doesn’t justify the murder of dozens of children. In fact, child abuse was not the motivation for the raid, it was a report by an admitted enemy of David Koresh that the compound contained illegal, fully automatic weapons. No such weapons were found, only the charred bodies of children.
          Joe

          • Mark Travers

            That is your version of events. Congress (bi-partisan) conducted an investigation on the Waco raid and found no wrong doing by the Federal and State Law enforcement agencies. Keep spinning it all you want. This website is full of mis-information and very, very biased comments. Looks like a bunch of unstable misfits exist here. Go on, post all you want but you guys are seen by many Americans as “crazies.”

          • JoeKirkup

            So the government investigated the government and concluded that the government hadn’t murdered Weavers wife and kid. Well, I guess that settles it. I want you to hold you breath till Loretta Lynch puts the cuffs on HRC.

          • known by your fruits

            OK. Government investigating government for serious offenses such as murder? Hmm, is there really any incentive for the government to find the government guilty of anything if they can possibly get out of it?

        • Heyoka

          Sure that is why Randy Weaver was acquitted except for failing to appear and Gerry Spence got him 3.1 Million for his loss. I think Gerry could have gotten him off on that had they appealed it. After all how do you fail to appear for a charge that was found to be a case of “entrapment”. Of course the Feds are way above that sort of behavior.
          Try Operation Northwoods. It was a CIA Op that was declassified back in the 60s. The plan was to down a couple of airliners and pin it on the Cubans to justify an invasion. It is called a False Flag Operation.
          If they would stoop to that then where have they come to date??? I would not hate to know but I am sure that I would be very disappointed upon discovery.
          This blows you find e upstanding ethical and moral federal agency theory right out the window. Your constant appeal to authority is a Logical Fallacy by the laws of Logic and Reason using the correct etymology of the words. In a word your position is “unreasonable”.
          Only a Kool Aid drinking, imbalanced quack in abject denial will ignore facts and yell and scream in the light of their obvious imbalance.
          You Marxists/Socialists are a disgusting lot. You have no moral anchor and will do or say anything to further your agenda. This is called rationalization. It is the first sign of mental imbalance and is observed by analysts to diagnose sever mental disorders. The more elaborate the more perverse and self centered the mind. The condition is most extreme when it nears incurable insanity.
          Judging from your rants and the level of un substantiated generalizations basing you trust on mere authority figures and not real information I would say you are way past that point.
          And as for Federal Authorities and you worship of the position and not real authority that is proven I say this…. No not a smidgen of corruption there….

          • Mark Travers

            So the lady
            attorney is among us who got fired from the DA’s office and she wants to talk
            about being unstable. LOL That’s rich, it really is. That
            being said, your name calling of me being a ‘Marxists/Socialists’ is another
            attempt to ‘spin’ this into another lie. No, I am a moderate Republican
            and strongly support Capitalism but you had to attempt to spin this into other
            arguments because you were losing the first one. Your ranting and babbling
            sounds just like the rest of the folks posting here. Joe Miller must be
            so proud his webpage has evolved into a nut-house of folks like you. I
            find it interesting that not even the conservative Republicans have come to
            these criminals defense. In fact, many of them (even Senator Cruz) stated what
            they did was wrong. Bottom-line, you don’t take over gov’t property
            (illegal), threaten law enforcement with death, and then expect there not to be
            any sort of fall-out due to this reckless behavior. I also find it
            funny that these nutty people kept telling the news media they were willing to
            die for America if the Law Enforcement agencies tried to come after them …..
            well, when the Federal enforcement officers did come in, they RAN.

    • StingraySFO

      And, by the way, what makes you think those protesters are unstable and uneducated criminals? Is it because they stand by the Constitution and have ranches? Or maybe it’s because they believe in family values and standing up for others rights.
      Again….just remember that the feds often ‘eat’ their own!

      • Mark Travers

        My conclusion is they are unstable and uneducated because just listening to them speak is enough for me to draw that conclusion. And, they are criminals because they took Public property illegally and in fact, they admitted they knew it was against the law. In addition, many Republican conservatives who preach ‘family values’ also condemn what these criminals were doing and calling them out for stating they would shoot law enforcement officers if need be. You clearly are not telling the other side of the story. Grow-up.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Just MAYBE the problem is that the GOVERNMENT actually took that property illegally, in the first place. READ the Constitution; the government is not supposed to own property, except military installations, which Malheur definitely was not, and the manner in which it was acquired was shady at best!

      • vigilannie2

        Don’t waste your time with this troll ‘Mark’…..just an agitator….

        • Mark Travers

          Yeah, don’t pay attention to folks like me who number in the Millions posting all over Facebook that you guys are criminals and nuts.

          • sandraleesmith46

            We are no more “criminals” than you believe yourself to be; we just happen to believe the Constitution is the law of the land!

          • Naturalism

            This “constitution” nonsense is a transparent lie. We see through it. Oh, the federal government isn’t allowed to own land now? Give me a break. Oh, ranchers have a constitutional right to profit off of public land for free? Give me a break. You don’t “believe” in anything, you just want free stuff and for nobody else to get free stuff.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Try reading the Constitution; the ONLY land the Federal government is permitted to own outside the District of Columbia is military bases. Even the “national parks” are illegal seizure of public and/or state lands.

          • Naturalism

            It is you who should read the Constitution. The thing you claim Congress can’t do is explicitly authorized:

            “The Congress shall have Power… to exercise … Authority over all Places purchased …for the Erection of … needful Buildings.”

            Look, I get it, you don’t like the federal government and wish it had less Constitutional power. Fine. I accept your position. But don’t start up with this nonsense about “the ONLY land the Federal government is permittedto own outside the District of Columbia is military bases”. You don’t need to lie about that to protect your other preference.

          • sandraleesmith46

            A “needful building” is NOT a large swath of land; and that’s the difference. The only large swaths of land authorized are military bases, and even those are a bit shaky; but parks and reserves are absolutely out!

          • Naturalism

            Congress says it is. Courts say it is. Presidents say it is. Majorities of voters say it is. Tough luck for you and your absurd claims about the Constitution, but we have a system for deciding Constitutional questions, and your opinion didn’t win in that system.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Congress and the uneducated “majority” make a LOT of Constitutionally WRONG claims!

          • Naturalism

            Hey, let me ask you, what do you think about the Air Force? The Constitution authorizes Congress to form armies and navies, but not air forces. Do you oppose the Air Force because it is un-Constitutional? That’s a serious question. I’m wondering whether you are truly dedicated to a strict reading of the Constitution, or if you’re a liar who hides her bigotry behind lofty rhetoric.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Which of our Founders do you think even imagined an airplane? The Air Force began its life as the Army Air Corps, but needed to separate as its needs and the Army’s diverged. However, since a “standing” Army was also not Constitutional, I really don’t believe either the Army or the Air Force should be “standing” today. The Navy/Marine Air Corps’ and the Coast Guard are sufficient for standing military arms.

          • Naturalism

            Okay, yes I agree with all that, but you agree that the Air Force is not listed as a power delegated to Congress right? So the AF is un-constitutional?

            The founding fathers never imagined a national park system but you are saying that can’t be justified under any powers given to Congress.

          • sandraleesmith46

            No, it can’t; state parks, yes, they have that authority. BTW, wherein did I say a standing USAF was “justified”?

          • Naturalism

            All you said about the AF was that you didn’t think it should be standing. I’m trying to get you to say that the existence of the AF is un-Constitutional.

            It’s a wedge issue for the people who claim (hypocritically in my opinion) lofty things about what is and isn’t un-Constitutional. Most of those people are reticent to admit that Congress doesn’t have an explicit line-item plain-text delegated power to have an Air Force, whereas those people will apply that strict standard to whatever thing they don’t like.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Well, sorry to disappoint you, but both an army and an air force are entirely Constitutional at certain times, just not “standing” continuously!

          • Naturalism

            How can you say the Air Force is Constitutional, when there is not explicit line-item in the Constitution giving Congress the power to create one?

            In my opinion, the power to have an AF is implied by the power to have armies and navies. But you have taken the position that if there isn’t explicit unambiguous language in the Constitution authorizing a national policy, then it’s un-Constitutional.

          • sandraleesmith46

            I can say that because I actually read the Constitution about the issue. Armies and, by extension, the Air Force, are Constitutionally authorized AT CERTAIN TIMES! The Navy and, by extension Coast Guard and Marine Corps, are standing at all times.

          • Naturalism

            Okay, so “army and navy” can mean “air force” but “buildings” can’t mean “bird sanctuary outposts”? Give me a break.

          • sandraleesmith46

            Navy is standing, by Constitution and Army has its TIME to exist, Constitutionally. Air Force as part of the Army, formerly, would fit into those times only; and NO “buildings” doesn’t include a bird sanctuary. Neither does it include national parks etc.

    • Paul

      Mark, I am amazed how much trust you have for the Feds. It sounds like you haven’t been watching the news for the past 7yrs. The FBI is the last federal agency that I am withholding my opinion until I see what they are going to do with the Clinton’s top secret e-mails scandal she claimed to have never sent out. If they (FBI) fail to push the DOJ to start the indictment and keep their mouth shut instead, it will be official that ALL Federal agencies are corrupt and above our laws. Government no longer fear the people and we, in fact, fear them now. Wake up, buddy.

      • Mark Travers

        I trust the FBI and other law enforcement agencies than Id trust the likes of you crazy folks.

        • sandraleesmith46

          Trusting anyone above your local county Sheriff and / or city police may well get you killed sooner than you believe. And not even all them are worthy of your trust!

    • sandraleesmith46

      You, sir, need to check your sources; the FBI has long since been heavily infiltrated by Muslims, and NOT serving the people of the US! Further, they are an agent of the heavily corrupted Department of (In-)Justice, and again, NOT serving America in anything approaching an unbiased manner, enforcing the laws equally! They are FAR from the agency I was acquainted with in the late ’60s and ’70s at Quantico.

      • Mark Travers

        Oh so now you are going to get racists and state the FBI is being taken over by Muslims. Prove it !! And btw: who cares if a person is a Muslim or not. Just crazy talk from you freaks.

        • sandraleesmith46

          I don’t have to “prove” it! LOOK at the list of who their hierarchy are; it’s public information! And it’s not about “racism”, it’s about the POLITICAL INFILTRATION of our nation by agents of a system bent on destruction of our very government, which has been illegal since 1952, specifically!

        • C D

          Mark you’re going to blow something out talking like that. We all can see from your postings that you are educated waaaaayyyy above all of us posting here. Facebook is a real treasure trove of insightfulness into the workings of the country. But honestly, I’ve been chasing you through this blog to hear your recommendations on what to do about what has happened to these men that risked everything to help those folks in Harney county. I think that when the real information gets out that you may have to recant some of your expert testimony here.
          So lay it on us, we’re waiting with baited breath!!

          • Mark Travers

            Uh, CD (fake name), I wish you would hear both sides of the story. These men risked based on stupidity. Many of the folks in the Harney county did not EVEN WANT THEM THERE. And, the funny things according to credible news sources, many of them have ran off and left the area ! My guess is lots of these mis-fits are unemployed because they are ‘unemployable’ because of how unstable they are. In fact, it’s already been reported that ‘some’ of them live off Gov’t hand-outs such as foodstamps, etc. They trash the Gov’t but they rely on the gov’t as well. You folks are just a bunch of nutcakes. All you offer is hearsay, period.

          • C D

            Now Mark you just said nothing without hard facts! Foodstamps hmmmm. You are correct about a lot of the locals not asking for help. Because there was no one to go to for Help! These (assuming un-educated folks) were being systematically burn out and forced off their land and grazing lands they had used for generations. I don’t think they had a pot to piss in once the BLM had – had their way with them. It’s hard to be in the cattle/ranch business without land and cattle!. But they were scared and having someone to come in and start kicking up dirt at the BLM and rousing interest of the plight of the locals, this though a wrench into the cogs of the Local Judge, (again referring to live interview) who was lobbying to have the land moved into the endangered species protection / asset forfeiture program. (This is the same one who made/heard cases on the locals farmers). So this was something that was going to be investigated by the III% folks.
            Anyway back to the locals,
            When Bundy showed up, he thought (yeah I know) he would/could help them because it was similar to what he had gone thru in Nevada. But the gentleman and son were afraid and behind the scene threated with worse conditions when going back to prison, that they didn’t want the help. They were already beat down and hopeless at that point.
            And the rest is history as they say. So as before – give us the answer to all that needs to be done.

          • Mark Travers

            You simploy know how to ‘spin’ the story to fit your agenda. The fact is father and son told the local paper they wanted Bundy to go away and that he was using it to promote himself. In addition, several factions among you key stone cops ended up fighting among each other regarding attacking law enforcement officers, the reason why you were there in there in the first place, the strategic objectives going foward, etc. Hence, not even the ‘thugs’ were on the same page regarding why they were there and what to do next. The other fact is they all RAN when the law enforcement started enforcing the laws and commenced arresting them. Yes, the rest is history, the Cowards ran.

    • C D

      Man you get around,
      You have a plethora of info on all of these people and what they did. What do you know about the Local Judge and newbee Sheriff? I heard they were using the eco-Nazi tactics to steal the farms by using the endangered brown desert grouse, or possibly some other green spotted owl!! Or that the farm area is loaded with plutonium and worth a fortune…… to Hillary and her 40 thieves. We already know that the local govt was corrupt, and that the Fed govt is corrupt, and your inside info about the leading candidate for prez doesn’t sound too promising either. Wow I think we just need Jim Jones to give us the kool aid!

      • Mark Travers

        Another fake name hiding …. anyway, that’s the problem with this whole webpage … “you heard” …. gossip and you believe it to be Facts. You have not offered any, any solid facts or evidence to support your fatuous claims. Hey, I heard that they just found 5 monkeys on the moon ! Yeah, it’s true …. I read it on a Facebook page !!!!

  • Enigma505

    Ok, let me get this straight, KrisAnne Hall makes these statements, purported as FACT, she states…”…that LaVoy Finicum was “summarily executed,” shot while he was on the ground with his hands in the air.”

    So she’s alleging out and out MURDER by the FBI and local LEO?

    And her sources are people that weren’t even there?

    So this is third party hearsay, at best?

    Yea, sure thing, sign me up… I hope she prepared for the fallout .

    • Mark Travers

      One of the reasons she was fired as a DA in Flordia.

      • vigilannie2

        She was fired for speaking about the US Constitution at tea party rallies!! stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

        • Naturalism

          So…. she was fired for being a weirdo kook? Sounds legit.

        • Heyoka

          Now, now don’t feed the Troll, it only encourages the poor attention starved infantile mind.

    • vigilannie2

      Maybe you should move to China….(sources are the 6 others in the vehicle at the time of the shooting!!)

      • Enigma505

        Well, so much for the stement he was :…lying on the ground and murdered.”

        If you’re in an armed situation with LEO, and you are KNOWN to be hostile and carry weapons, DO NOT REACH INTO YOUR POCKET!!!!

        You’re asking to get shot.

  • LC Davenport

    Now,
    I have four very important questions: (1) How many bullets were shot
    from any one or all or some of the patriots’ weapons? (2) How many
    bullet holes were in LaVoy? (3) How many bullet holes are in the truck
    that was allegedly shot at by the feds? and
    (4) Was Ryan Bundy actually shot, or did he have a shrapnel wound? Any
    bets on getting the “true” answers to these questions?

    • vigilannie2

      oh, we may get some answers – but 9 out 10 will be out and out lies………….

      • sandraleesmith46

        And # 10 might be an half truth, MAYBE!

    • sandraleesmith46

      Nope, no bets there!

      • Naturalism

        “Video or it didn’t happen!”
        (video is released)
        “Um… MORE video or it didn’t happen!”
        Give me a break, as if you won’t demand something else after the dash cam videos are released.

  • dufus

    The federal government sucks. They feel they are above the law. The
    a-hole muslim in the White House should be hung along with his muslim appointees.

    • CountryBoy

      That is because NO government official was held accountable for the killings at Ruby Ridge and Waco…..

      Just look at Hillary…… if she is NOT indicted , you will know it to be true…

  • Betty4440

    I BET IF TRUMP GETS IN HE WILL RELEASE IT AND SOMETHING WILL BE DONE.

    • Mark Travers

      Trump ? LOL The four time Draft Dodger ? LOL

      • C D

        Hey just up the page you were using Trump to cover you saying everyone was talking crazy. Nice pic Mark you look important

        • Mark Travers

          Your welcome.

  • Centurion

    Sounds like Ruby Ridge and Waco all over again. Time for some civil unrest.

    • Mark Travers

      Wrong. And, you commit Civil unrest and law enforcement has the law on their side to deal with you wacos.

      • Greg Johnston

        What law is that, Mark? It certainly isn’t the constitution which should be the only law of the land.

        • Mark Travers

          Oh geez,
          another person who is not a Constitutional expert but thinks he is. Your
          so-called attorney should have told you that if the law is not specified in the
          U.S. Constitution, then the States can have authority over the law. Thus,
          your premise is not correct that the U.S. Constitution is the ‘only law of the
          land’. Crazy talk again.

          • Heyoka

            You are very full of yourself I see. Actually the gentleman is correct. The Constitution is the only law of the land as it is the Supreme Law of the land, no more no less.
            That is on the Federal level and did not discuss the states. I am quite sure that the gentleman was speaking on the point that all of the other laws created in conflict with the Constitution are non existent. That is what he was saying. You jumped the gun and lavished your superior mental abilities and astuteness on the rest of us to your utter display of pride and arrogance. You are right up there with Obama.
            How very narcissistic you are….

          • Mark Travers

            Wrong. Go re-read his statement again because that’s not what he was intimidating.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            When did the FBI become an agency of the STATE of OREGON? That’s who shot and killed an unarmed man in cold blood, Mark.

            You just debunked your whole wacko justification of murder of someone with political views that differ from yours, that you’ve built up in own your wacko head,now haven’t ya?

          • Mark Travers

            Again, he was a THREAT. He and his other ilk and publically stated they were going to kill law enforcement if they had to. You simply are not presenting the whole situation. As you have noticed, not one conservative Congressional rep. has come out repeating what you have written. Several conservative GOP folks warned them to give themselves over to the law enforcement agency for breaking the law. Yes, it’s ILLEGAL (criminal act) for folks to break into a Federal building and occupy it. They committed a crime and then they taunted the Federal and State law enforcement agencies with death if they intervene. When they finally set-up the road block, he tried to drive around it (which was pretty pathetic) and almost ran over a Federal agent ! You left that part out. Then he exits the SUV with hands up and then a few seconds into the video he lowers his hands and is seen reaching into his coat …. he was told to keep his hands up but he refused. THey felt the threat and shot him. They then found a semi automatic gun in his coat, which he was going for. Sir, he per his hostile actions, threats of death to the Law Enforcement, etc, cause his death.

          • Bill Catz

            When did the FBI start doing what they called a “routine traffic stop”?

          • lajaw

            The US Constitution is “supreme law of the land”. Any law contrary to the US Constitution is no law.

          • jim_robert

            So true, Mark. Your fascist leftism is the un-law of the land now, including all your anti-democratic presidential directives that usurp the rights granted to the people.

            Incidentally, our rights are not granted by the state, but by God. But then you mutton-headed intellectually dishonest state uber alles types don’t have the mental horsepower to get it. In your fascist world it is, as Mussolini said “All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”

            I believe in non-violence… not like you fascist left (yes, Mark, the Nazis were National SOCIALISTS, as any intelligent person knows), and your vile buddies on the left who, according to Black Book of Communism, Oxford Univ. Press, MURDERED over 100 mm people last century.

            Crazy talk you say? Exactly. As evidenced in every word you bloviated about above. Disgusting.

            Non-violence is the only way, from both sides.

          • Mark Travers

            LOL. Oh man, so now I am a fascist leftism. I voted for Reagan and I voted for both Bushes. I was very disappointed with George Bush Jr. What I call is crazy is folks like you who put forth faulty assumptions and then reach a fallacious conclusion. Also, our rights our not granted by God. Really ? Many of the Founding Fathers were Deists, such as Thomas Jefferson. No where in the Constitution does it mention Jesus ! You are just wrong on that point. Anyway, your argument is all over the map … you then bring in Nazies,
            Please learn not to put forth red herrings and circular arguments and stay on topic.

          • Russ

            why don’t you put your left wing liberal BS on your Hiltery web site and get the hell off ours moron!!!

      • Wayne Cummins

        Your fuehrer would be proud Mark.

        • Mark Travers

          Who Donald Trump ? He even called you guys ‘crazy’.

          • C D

            So Mark, when should the people decide to have some disobedience to a tyrannical govt? Are you a lawyer or someone with some experience with the courts? Because we see everyday a step closer to a country sliding towards martial law and/or dictatorship. The only time we have left to speak out or do something is now. Mitch McConnell is fast tracking a total dictatorship for Obama, Obama is musing over if he should or shouldn’t just stay for that little 3rd term. We look to you to enlighten us, not just give us that age old line about getting “our” state govt to stand up and pass laws against the Fed power grab. While all police/sheriff offices are being federalized. and on and on.

          • Mark Travers

            You folks just ramble ramble ramble. You offer no specifics other than vague generalities such as “we see everyday a step closer to a country sliding towards martial law and/or dictatorship”. President Obama is almost out of Office and so it will not be him. Offer solid PROOF of how we are sliding into this dictatorship because under Obama, that clearly has not occurred with the GOP shutting down the Gov’t once already. LOL

          • C D

            Mark, good to hear from you. When I said that “I” heard about these issues, local corruption, fed corruption. I was referring to statements made to Pete Santilli in a live interview with the lead negotiator for the III% ers local militia that met directly with the FBI at their airport compound. The other article was from a piece about Hillary and her private dealings with Russia and the plutonium sales. That just happens to be mined right around where this stand off is located. Have you not read anything about this? I know that your a man of hard facts, but I dogged you to get your attention. And it just happens that my log in gave me the CD automatically.

          • erodam

            Yes Mark we must OBEY…what a joke. Let’s turn the tables a bit here..you show PROOF that we still have all the freedoms and liberties that are guaranteed in our U.S.Constitution.

          • Mark Travers

            Stupid comment. We have laws for a reason. I can tell you don’t comprehend that basic concept but thank God we do. Your vague comments are just that. Also, I keep hearing from folks like you that’ “my freedomes and liberties’ are being taken away. Really ? Give me specifics. As American, I and many others feel we need to be protected by crazies like you guys. Many of the folks in the Oregon town wanted these thugs to leave because they felt threaten by them. You guys talk big but when the whole situation came down … the criminals went RUNNING. They will now have to deal with the ‘hand of justice’. I think it laughable and strange they would not recognize the authority of the law enforcement officers but then when the end was in sight, they were trying to negotiate with them to not arrest them and/or not go to prision. And Bundy told them all to stand down after his arrest … hoping for a lessor sentence.

          • erodam

            Can’t come up with the Proof I challenged you to, so you babble on like a typical troll….

      • fedupwincometaxes

        Mark, Finicum is DEAD! “Without due process of law” as provided for by our U.S, Constitution, backed up by State Constitutions guaranteeing in writing “Life” “Property” and “Liberty” shall not be taken without due process.

        That constitutional process has been ripped to shreds by executive orders with extreme prejudice.

        The same extreme prejudice you exhibit in your hateful ignorant remarks, Mark.

        YOU, and your gestapo idea of law enforcement are NOT provided for in our Constitution.

        State and Federal police DO NOT have the right to murder people with whom you disagree politically.

        Or, who challenge the abuse of power of our government.

        “Redress of Grievances” with our government was a founding tenant of this nation.

        Just because those who protested also happen to be strong advocates of our second amendment rights? That makes them crazy? That is justification for “law” men to plot an ambush to “murder” a man who had not no gun in his hand, nor fired any shots to provoke any self defense response?? When they could have initiate a lawful arrest “if they had probably cause” at many opportunities when these men were out in town hall meetings. They were on their way to another meeting where proper law officials would be present as in all previous such meetings. THIS IS AMERICA, REMEMBER? OR AT LEAST IT USED TO BE. FINICUM IS DEAD, AND YOUR ARE DEAD WRONG MARK!
        You only approve of this killing of an unarmed man because you disagree with his political views. Pure and simple. You epitomize the real danger in America today!

        • Mark Travers

          Yes, he is dead but if you bothered to read other Social Media sites, the majority of comments coming back are his risky and hostile behavior caused it. Again, I looked at the video several times and he trys to drive his SUV around the blocked area, he almost hits an agent, and then he exits the SUV with at first his hands up and then you can clearly see him lower his hands and reaching into his coat …. they told him to keep his hands in the air and he refused. If you look at the rest of the video, the other criminals kept the hands in the air the entire time. He is dead but he was a threat and they found a semi automatic hand gun in his coat. But I guess that’s a lie to for your folks.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            That’s a version of events you can not prove conclusively Mark. No law enforcement agent was in line of his plowing into a snow bank. He veered away from them.

            And you have no idea what he was doing or what was being yelled at him…he was shot too quick to determine what he was doing by watching this vague unclear video with no sound…

            We don’t know what was being said by the agent in front of him…many times the first order is STOP. Clearly he stopped.. usually a second command is giving of some sort,,,how do you know what was said, no close up camera to observe or hear…was he being yelled at to lift his jacket? It was too awkward and too slow for a man well trained on how to handle guns to be trying to draw his weapon.

            He clearly did not have a gun in his hand…was the agent wired with a personal vest camera with sound?

            You can bet your butt there were plenty of cameras with sound trained on the scene to record what they hoped would be a shoot out with the ‘bad guys firing first’ …. but looks like the agents got trigger happy to me.

            You can see him stop, and react to something being commanded… he at the same time hears another agent coming up behind him and turns…or was he shot in the back and that’s what caused him to turn??

            Clearly no gun was in his hand before being shot… you WANT to believe this cover story..

            But what if it had been a Muslim or a Black thug criminal after a high speed chase ending in the thug crashing his vehicle into a road block…and this same video was produced with no sound, no clarity.

            The media and Obama’s law enforcers would have 24 hour breaking news stories to advance their pre-written narrative on racial hatred and their “black lives matter” campaign…

            They’d be prosecuting those agents with premeditated trigger happy willful homicide on the part of those agents and you would be cheering them on telling us how racially insensitive our society is…and that this kind of judge, jury, and executioner style of lawmen have got to be expelled from law enforcement and prevented from every holding a gun in their hand or every working in law enforcement again.

            Your perspective is skewed by your prejudices. That is not allowed in law enforcement. You can have your opinion, but don’t denigrate and besmirch the intelligence of those who see it differently.

            You have the same skewed perspectives shaped by your brand of politics just like the rest of us…the point is, you are not allowed to murder people with the slightest provocation to silence those you disagree with.

            You are simply parroting a narrative most likely pre-written that became the ‘official’ report by the murders….

          • Mark Travers

            And you are simply parroting a narrative put forth by you and the anti-Gov’t folks. The fact is, CNN showed the Video up close today and you can see a law enforcment agent jumping out of the way from the speeding SUV. That’s a fact. He could have been killed over the reckless actions of your wacko Leader.
            And my reaction would be the same if this were a Muslim or a Black person as well. You and your ilk have a very skewed interpretation of the Constitution. You/they are not above the law. If I had done exactly what this criminal did (broke Federal law, threaten law enforcement officers with death … repeatedly, drove my car reckless and not stopping at a police blockade, ran my SUV over a snow embankment and almost kill a Federal agent, come out of my SUV with my hands up for a few seconds than lower them to reach into my jacket when the police are telling me to keep my hands raised in the air, ……. yeah, I’d expect to get shot at. These THUGS had other options to protest but instead became Domestic Terriosts. Oh, and for the record, the officer that killed LaVoy was a Oregon State Police Officer, not the FBI as some of your ‘blind followers’ claim.

          • erodam

            Nice try Mark…the fed POS lunged in front of the vehicle while attempting to shoot the driver, which he probably was successful as evident when LaVoy lowered his arms in reaction to the wounds. Question…why are you so against the citizens taking the initiative to stop the oppression being administered by this rogue government??, are you a troll perhaps..me thinks so knucklehead, go suck your thumb in a corner instead of being a real man.

          • Mark Travers

            erodam, LOL Another ‘spin’ ….. the fact is again, LaVoy was threathening law enforcement with death. He then was speeding towards them in his SUV and he was armed. He decided to not OBEY the law enforement officers with the police road block. You on purpose are leaving out all the mitigating factors of why LaVoy was an extreme threat to law enforcement. You just refuse to admit the reponsiblity of his actions that would have led any, any law enforcement officer to be in fear of this crazy guy. We have laws in America and you rouge guys do NOT REPRESENT me nor millions of other Americans who consider your views and your types (Domestic terror groups) . You break the law and you will pay, period. A real man ? LOL

          • XtremeAngler

            Well, Mark, it seems there is now multiple eye witness testimony that the Feds were shooting at the vehicle PRIOR to the roadblock? The Feds claim 3 shots were fired, but the vehicle is riddled with holes? Where is the video evidence from ground level?

            I will freely admit I have no idea what happened on the ground, but so far, there are far too many unanswered questions to definitively say which side was in the wrong. IF, no further video evidence is provided by the FBI, that in itself should cause a person to be even further skeptical of a “clean shoot”.

          • Mark Travers

            Please be logical about this. A wanted man for a Federal offense who has stated publically to kill law enforcement if they tried to take him is speeding his SUV at them at a high rate of speed and does not come to a halt at the police blocked road and is coming at them, you would not expect them to shoot at the SUV? You are not kidding, but I am shocked at the extremely biased views here of LOGIC.

          • XtremeAngler

            No, shots were fired at the SUV PRIOR to the blockade, during the initial traffic stop. This does not coincide with the FBI’s official narrative. Logic is what I am relying on here, not emotion.

            The second question I have is this: Why did the FBI attempt to arrest Finicum at the roadblock, when he was actually on his way to speak with the Sheriff and FBI in town? Why not arrest him there? It seems a peaceful outcome was indeed possible had cooler heads prevailed. Of course, I was not there, so I cannot know that for sure.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Not clear at all…you got what you wanted, and you will continue to blather on with your self righteous blather….but God will sort it out…the officer your talking about almost getting hit, jumped in front of the vehicle…that much is clear on Your Communist News Network CNN…you tell your version with such hatred for “my ilk” we are American Citizens. The rules of engagement in Irag, and Afghanistan would have these two guys up for court Marshall and prosecution as ordered by our fearless leader ad they preformed in this exact same manner…there you can’t shot back until shot at, and then only with permission from command….you relish the idea of killing your political opponents of ‘my ilk.’ Well, Karma’s a cold bitch pal…may she visit upon you the same form of justice you are celebratinn

          • Mark Travers

            Oh, so now CNN is a ‘Communist New Network’ ? And what about Fox News, they showed the same footage this morning as well ? Again, no credible Repubican conservative has publically come out declaring what occurred to LaVoy as wrong. Senator Cruz stated that these ‘guys” are not above the law. Thus, both conservatives and liberals, etc, have condemn what Bundy and his ilk did. Your views are clearly in the minority but at least you have Joe Miller’s website to echo the same one-sided views in this BUBBLE chamber to make you feel you are correct in your fatuous opinions.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Mark have yet to explain why “Oregon State Trooper” could not have
            affected an arrest in full view of public witnesses at any of the
            previous town hall meetings, or the one he was in route to..he told
            them, and they already knew the Sheriff and other law enforcement would
            be at that meeting…the truth behind not doing so was because the
            governor and the the feds were losing control of their one sided spin
            and they simply wanted this man silenced. Why haven’t they released
            anything but a indistinguishable drone video that has to be manipulated
            by high tech news crews in order to get the images they want purveyed to
            a salivating hate filled Statist like you.

            By the way if just this little insignificant bubble as you insinuate is the only place where people are not buying into your and the governments spin, why are you spending so much time making such as ass of yourself in responding to everyone on this thread.

            Go, leave our bubble if you do not like it here…go crouch down at the feet of your masters table and lick his hand in servitude. You make us sick doing it here.

            Can’t wait till lady Karma pays you and your sorry ilk a visit of retribution.

          • Mark Travers

            You simply are ignoring how this situation was spinning out of control. They were making threats to kill law enforcement personnel. And, just like you just threaten me. You folks are unstable and out of control. The Court will hear the evidence, which will lead them to the same conclusion that millions of others have reached, which is the following:
            1) LaVoy had made public threats that he would kill law enforcement officers if necessary. Many of these thugs had stated the same thing.
            2) Several local law enforcement officers reported they were followed to their homes by these thugs.
            3) LaVoy and his ilk broke into a Federal building and resided there and refused to leave. (A Federal Crime)
            4) LaVoy was speeding his SUV towards a Police Road Block and would not stop his SUV and proceeded to drive dangerously and without concern for others’ safety tried to drive around the police block.
            5) LaVoy exited the SUV and at first had his hands up in the air and then lowered them reaching into his coat. He was yelled at (according to witnesses from both the police and the other occupants in the SUV …. they posted a video on Youtube) to keep his hands raised, but he refused. After several verbal warnings, he was shot.
            6) Police found a semi automatic gun in his coat where he was seen reaching under his coat before he was shot.
            Hence, this is the evidence that will be presented and your ‘spin’ will not matter. Any sane jury would find the Police not guilty based on the hard evidence.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Now, I’m threatening you?? What a pantie wearing little girly man you are. I simply asked that Lady Karma return the kind of justice to you that you gleefully celebrate when perpetrated upon your political foes….in AMERICA….of all places.

            And, I believe one day she will. So quake in your delusional one sided world, sparky. But don’t try to indict me with your slanderous B S.

          • Mark Travers

            Yeah, ‘one day’ …. more B.S. Not even on Fox News or Rush Limbaugh are you guys getting in relief. The Bubble here that Joe has for you is a sad, negative echo chamber. Have fun.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            SO, go play with yourself little man…or do you want to keep this going for another day with your one dimensional propaganda of impotent drivel.

          • Mark Travers

            Old man, you sure get personal with the 3rd grade insults. Poor guy. You can’t argue the facts so you have to resort to insults. Speaking of one dimenisional propaganda, I think you project too much.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Not a very nice try ‘Little Boy” …. You don’t argue facts..your argue manufactured BS with an edited video to support your unproven accusations…. I think I hear your mommy calling…now go away kid…not that you bother me.

          • Mark Travers

            This coming from a COWARD who does not post under his real name but has to use a fake name. This coming from an Old guy that posts non-stop and attacks many other folks with vile, evil comments. This coming from a guy who claims to be a Christian but his attacks and sick personal comments are not Christ-Like at all. I 100% understand you are unemployed (you call it retired) and have way too much time on your hands so you come on Social Media to attack others. I looked at other postings you have done on other Threads and man, I feel sorry for your family. What a COWARD and embarrssment you are. Anyway, I understand because you are an old man with much time to ramble on and you are fragile, and your unstable personality demands you have the last word, you have my permission. Go for it fake name.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            So, someone give you insult for insult and smack for smack and you cry foul? Speaking of too much time on their hands….you have been non stop lashing out at everyone else on this thread…you have nothing left on this subject because all of your assertions are countered with counter assertions…what are you getting paid for being the social media distraction and water carrier for the radical left?

          • Mark Travers

            The COWARD is back. So now I am a part of the ‘radical left’. LOL Old man, the political world is not one dimensional. It’s not Liberal and conservative only. Oh and not crying foul at all, I just read some of your evil comments to others and noticed you claim to call yourself a Christian, which you simply are not one. Now go play with marbles.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            At least I have marbles to play with…you lost yours a long time ago… oh by the way…I didn’t have to research you uninteresting life history on social media…I simply go back to your last post where you say to me…” much time to ramble on… and you are fragile, and your unstable personality demands you have the last word”….

            Well, well ‘Sparkhy’ talk about hypocrisy and projecting your faults onto others….what a piece of self contradictory work you are.

          • Mark Travers

            Again, this coming from a COWARD who can’t use his real name and hides behind a fake name to post. btw: I would have thought at your age, you would have learned about basic sentence structure and spelling simple words. Poor guy.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Nah, spelling’s not important when dealing with an imbecile like you…short hand phrasing is close enough to deal with someone who pretends to be an faux intellectual who is nothing.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            The Mighty Mark Travers…super intellectual of the internet social media world…reduced from Supreme lawyer extraordinaire to trading insults with an old man he can’t out wit

          • Mark Travers

            You are a COWARD, period. However, you made it easy to argue because your 3rd grade logic is just that … elementary level. Now go pray to your Jesus for forgiveness for embarrassing him on all your hateful and evil threads to others.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            OH, THE LITTLE BOY IS BACK…YOU ARE THE COWARD MARK. AND ALL YOUR BLUSTER WILL NOT ERASE YOUR COWARDLY FALSENESS…YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS. ALL YOUR RIDICULING INSULTS YOU THINK ARE CLEVER, FALL FLAT.

          • Mark Travers

            LOL No, you are the COWARD, you hide behind a fake name. That speaks volumes of your weak character. You are out of your league with me and that is evident. Poor old guy. Look at that face ! LOL

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Many Chuckles to Marky Mark…my name is not as fake and phony as you are in your pretentious wanna be lost world…lost in your own little world of social media psychosis..little bush league wanna be…I know you can’t get enough of looking at my face, but I don’t share your sexual proclivities, girly man…remember about 7 or 8 posts earlier about 30 hours ago…you said you were done with me??… and I could have the last word??…but your insufficient manhood can’t live up to your word. I know most women are attracted to me…but your fascination with me is of no interest to me…go find you a high sierra bareback cowboy to lust after and leave us real men alone would ya?

          • Mark Travers

            Old man, I think you project way too much. Anyone just clicking on your name can see all the freakin postings you post …. hundreds of them ! And the majority of them are of you attacking people with personal, evil comments. They don’t have to trust my word, they can look for themselves. And, I can’t image anyone women being attractive to you …. unless they are in poor health because you look very unhealthy in your photo. Just being honest sir.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            You don’t have an honest bone you your body little boy….you talk about my number of posts? Really? You have more posts on this one thread than I have in the entire world of social media you dishonest little creep..and every post you made from the very start is peppered with insult, name calling, personal invective, and ridicule…and not just to me…it’s in every post to others as well…as they say, a psycho like you despises most what he projects on to others, and you are the master at projection…nobody has to be a psychiatrist to see that in you, little man. Anyone who reviews your posts on here can see that easily… It’s plain to see I’ve got under your skin which gives me great pleasure..and you can’t do a thing about it, little impotent word assassin that you are…you don’t bother me one bit. I laugh my ass off at your every pathetic insult.

          • Mark Travers

            LOL. Let me get this straight, you state I don’t bother you at all but you keep posting to every post I direct at you. Again, I think you PROJECT way too much little man. Yes, on this post, I have posted many but when I search on your name, you post non-stop to many, many folks with such personal attacks it’s sick. Again, you are a little old man who has no life other than attack folks on many Threads because it’s the only life you know. It’s pathetic. It really is. The only posts you will see is on this thread so quit your lying. Your HUGE volumes of posts in Social Media just shows how lonly and unhappy your life is. Poor guy.

          • fedupwincometaxes

            Your searching of my posts on social media shows who is obsessed here little man…you have not standing to point out the splinter in my eye with such a huge log sticking out of yours…you are obsessed with insulting me and getting the last words of non stop personal attacks…it is obvious and indicative of your sickness you accuse me of having….you make up lies on me just to accuse me of lying…talk about sick…I clearly stated all I observed of your posts were on this thread, and they are more numerous than all of my posts in the entire posts I’ve mad on the internet combined….you would have to be sick with obsessed low self esteem to search the internet of an ‘old man’ who sees you for what you are….

            So take fire your last volley’s Marky, it’s time for my nap…I’m getting bored with you…you only repeat the same insults over and over….you are dull and I got better people to swap insults with…so kiss this old man’s ass good bye.

          • Mark Travers

            Again, you are PROJECTING again. All anyone has to do is click on your name to see the hundreds of insults you inflict on other folks. It’s as I said pathetic and sick. No go take your nap because you really need your energy. You really do.

          • bob3653

            Mark – You are way off base. You say they found a semi automatic hand gun in his coat. That means he had not shown the weapon and yet he was shot dead. The shooter was only about 20 feet away and had a bead on Finicum the entire time. There was absolutely no reason to shoot until he posed a threat. – I have watched the video and I believe Finicum need not have died. He came out of his vehicle with his hands up and it appears that he was shot by a man at the far right for no apparent reason. The shooter then turned around and walked out of view to the right (why would he have done that if Finicum had not been shot and still posed a threat?). When shot, Finicum dropped his hands and turned toward the shooter – it appears that he was yelling at the shooter. Then it looked like he was shot again by another man on the right, who was a little closer to Finicum than the one who first shot him. Finicum then spun to the left and was shot by a man who was only about 20 feet away, at which time he collapsed. I could not ascertain whether he reached for a weapon at his hip before being shot, but you say the weapon was still in his coat – where did you get that info from? Note that no one came to Finicun’s aid – they just left him lying there. That indicates to me that they intended to shoot to kill and did so, otherwise they would have rushed to disarm him and render aid. This is, of course, conjecture on my part, but the whole scenario stinks of premeditation of the part of the lawmen – it just does not appear that they had any intention of taking Finicum alive. Time will tell. Medanwhile, get your facts straight.

          • Mark Travers

            Way off base ? … you still have not provided any facts to support that statement. Your comments are purely conjecture. And, I find it very strange that you 100% ignore the fact that Finicun had PUBLICALLY stated several times as reported by News Organizations and on T.V. that if the Law Enforcement offices tried to take him into to custody, that he would shoot at them. He also PUBLICALLY told the other ‘thugs’ to shoot to kill if law enforcement tried to take them into custody. If there was any “premediation’ is was on his part. He was also driving at a high rate of speed at the police block line and could have harmed or killed the agents. His reckless and threathening comments to law enforcement caused such a fearful and hostile situation for law enforcement, no intelligent person should be surprised at the outcome.

            btw: Have you noticed no conservative GOP person, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, etc, have come to his defense. Not one. You keep want to 100% blame the Law Enforcement folks and you don’t put any, any blame at Finicum. That is why you have no crediblity with me and many others that have been posting on this issue at other Social Media sites. This is about the only “known” website I’ve seen that blames the Police.

          • bob3653

            You still have not addressed the fact that you said the weapon was still in his coat. If you want to debate, include all that you and I have said, or STFU. I will no longer post on this subject, so have a good night.

      • RLM357

        Hey Mark its WHACKOS duh…..

      • Russ

        the way they deal with the black lives (don’t friggin’ matter) clowns? not one single thing. I suggest you might control your tongue when you call folks wackos moron!!!

  • THEY WOULDN’T DONE IT IN THE GHETTO. FEDS HAVE A BAD REP FOR SHOOTING HELPLESS AMERICANS INCLUDING WOMEN, OLD TIMERS AND CHILDREN. I BLAME THE GOV OF OREGON AND THE PEOPLE OF OREGON WHO CATER TO TYRANNY. THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ISOLATED UNTIL THEY WENT HOME. INJUSTICE JUMPED THE GUN. IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU NEXT. TRUMP IS THE ANSWER.

  • Greg Johnston

    Krisanne Hall’s podcast on Thursday, January 28 tells what a true constitutional president would look like on his or her first two days in office.

    The first day a constitutional president would start ending all of the unconstitutional agencies and turn over national parks and lands back to the states for them to rightfully manage.

    Then she stated a constitutional president would then bring back all the troops from over seas and then wait to take charge of the military when the Congress has declared war.

    Another thing she stated would be to never veto or approve a budget by Congress because it is Congresses job and duties to form the budget, not the president.

  • Jim Delaney

    I wonder if we’ll ever know exactly what happened. But, I agree: if the gov’t doesn’t release unedited video of scene, then commonsense clearly suggests the feds are hiding an awful truth.

  • ONTIME

    At this time I would not avoid the word “murder”..The MSM is doing all it can to keep the info about this incident from the public..If it were not for the online information this callus act as it now appears, would not be discussed at all..The gov appears to be out of control and the BLM has lost all credibility, the video statements are damming and the gov is not stepping up to the plate…..I want to hear what was it that caused the murder of a unarmed man in front of witnesses…….

  • CountryBoy

    Where are the Dash Cams………….

    • Naturalism

      “Video or it didn’t happen!”

      (video is released…)

      “Um… MORE video or it didn’t happen!”

      Give me a break, as if you won’t demand something else after the dash cam videos are released.

      • Bandit

        The feds that did the shooting were on foot and in the trees, it would be kinds hard to get dash cam video from up in the trees.

  • ivdad

    Waco, Ruby Ridge and probability others no one heard about. I’m just surprised they didn’t attak the building and shoot them all.

  • C D

    So far the only thing that is really known about this whole situation is that the Feds claim that shots were fired. Everyone seems to agree about this, the problem seems to be if ALL of the shooting was done by the Feds. A REAL man lays dead because of a system that has lost it’s way, one that failed everyone. The goal that these people bet their lives on was to expose a govt. that has become rouge and destructive to it’s real purpose. The by the people, for the people part has been long twisted by bureaucrats to a system of greed and corruption seen regularly in 3rd world countries. The system has made honest hard working people do things out of desperation, because they can’t live with the country falling apart. Where do our kids go after this towel is thrown into the ring, to appease the powers that be by allowing them to demonstrate that the law is for us and not them. We exist to supply them, and in simple terms “they own us”.
    The moral high ground was taken in this fight by the patriots, by a man who sacrificed his life on the alter of righteousness to show the country what needed to be done. They were going to see the Sheriff, so why not join the talks. The Feds could have worked with the locals to expose the corruption if it existed. Now we have to speculate why the Feds wanted this confrontation so badly, as to have a ambush set to force a armed confrontation. But I think as always, it went bad and the Feds will be back peddling to cover up their crimes “against the people” ……… again.
    If it’s proven that all these “accusations” at this point, ring true – and the Feds were there to cover criminal activity by the locals as well as the Federal (politicians). Then this is a grave injustice that was perpetrated against the American people. And it will be the shot that was heard around the world !

  • Ward Damon Hubbard

    I was raised around badges, and guns all my life. And I support law enforcement, but what happened here was not law enforcement. It was a calculated, targeted assassination, in blood to further the point that the absolute power of this government will not be questioned by anyone especially a American citizen. Each and everyone of these officers involved in this is a murdering low-life thug bastard, I don’t care who, or what they are, Or where they live, they put their pants on one leg at a time, and stand when the pee. And how they can look into the mirror, or the eyes of their young and feel good about murdering an unarmed citizen, only shown the depth of their derivative, and the shallowness of their honor, and lack of integrity. ahame be on each and everyone of them.

  • Naturalism

    “Additionally, Ms. Hall states that LaVoy Finicum was “summarily executed,” shot while he was on the ground with his hands in the air. She contends that because of the Patriot Act, the federal government will likely never release the video of the stop.”

    And thank goodness that the FBI “finally” released the video, after the oh-so-excruciating wait of 24 hours, and we see that Ms. Hall was totally wrong about the “summary execution” and about whether they would release the video. Her claims and predictions were false, so her opinion can be discarded.

    • knownbyyourfruits

      From all evidence at the time, I can see that it appeared it could have been like an execution. Victoria’s eyewitness testimony (she was in the back seat of the truck driven by Finicum) revealed that there were shots fired by law enforcement even before anyone got out of the truck at the first stop, even though they had put their open hands out of the window.

      Victoria claims that no one in the truck even touched their guns, let alone made any shots, even after being shot at. Ryan stuck his head and hands out the window and was shot at, and quickly pulled his head back in, fortunately without being hit. He did later manage to get out of the truck and was immediately detained. The video does not show Ryan exiting the truck, nor is one able to see individual shots as it is too far away, just more and more men with guns.

      Victoria said Finicum said he was going to talk to the Sheriff before he drove off and wound up in the snowbank. She said that after he drove into the snowbank, he got out of the truck (in knee deep snow) with his hands up. She also said that there were a lot of shots fired from Law Enforcement, even after he fell, and over a long period of time afterward, maybe 5 or 10 minutes. This blew out the windows of the truck on one side, but mostly hitting the metal of the vehicle.

      In watching the video now, I see Finicum came to the blockade, veered left, driving up the bank to avoid it, and then got out of the truck with his hands up walking a ways away from the truck (perhaps to keep the gunfire on him away from those still inside the truck?). At a point you do see him look down at his waist/abdomen and touch it but then quickly put his hands back up.

      Now if he were really reaching for a gun, you would think he would have come out with it, as he was already being shot at.

      Isn’t it possible that he had already been hit in the abdomen, and suddenly felt the sting of it, looked down and touched it even subconsiously, and then, realizing what he had done, quickly got his hands back up in the air again? He looks dazed, he circles, not fighting back.

      And Victoria said that the gunfire on the vehicle continued for quite a while after he was down, though the rest of them were still in the vehicle, and had to move to lay on the floor to avoid being hit by the many shots.

      Maybe “execution” is a strong word, but none of them fought back, and so it certainly was not a “shootout” between the groups. Is KrisAnne Hall “total wrong”? Maybe about the FBI releasing the video, but did Finicum really deserve to be shot?

  • Kent Roth

    “Just shoot me” seems like a poor choice of words at the end of a high speed chase unless one is determined to not be taken alive. The FBI has released video of state police officers fatally shooting Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, one of the armed Oregon protesters appears to me to show him reaching for a gun. The demands to “speak to the Sheriff” are significant. Members of the Posse Comitatus frequently refuse to pay taxes, to obtain driver’s licenses, or otherwise to comply with
    regulatory authorities.They deny the validity of United States. Suggest
    the County Sheriff is the sole authority and only as long as the Sheriff
    fulfills the will of the Posse. Was LaVoy a member of the Posse? Most
    Posse Comitatus in the 1990s morphed into armed militia groups.

  • greg stoddard

    Anyone know how many shots hit LaVoy? (Anyone but the know it all MT) This smells rotten to me. If he’d been hit before the obvious shot felling him was fired, then it would be indisputable why he dropped his hands.

  • InalienableWrights

    Pigs are openly executing people. If they do this in public you can guess what they do behind closed doors.

  • greg stoddard

    They released the video for a couple of reasons. 1. There’s no audio to determine whether or not LaVoy was shot more than once. Was he hit while his hands were still up? 2. The video makes a statement that citizens challenging the all and powerful feds and other cops will be shot to death and or imprisoned with no due process, especially spokesmen!
    There was no attempt to attend to LaVoy after he was clearly incapacitated but possibly able to survive with medical attention. That speaks volumes. Also feds and cops were already using deadly force on the occupants of the van even though it wasn’t needed and there had been no shots fired back at them! Release the autopsy report! Congress should investigate. Where’s the backbone? LaVoy had guts, God bless him.

  • BACK SHOT WHEN HE COULD HAVE BEEN TACKLED

  • Self Evident Truth

    The same FBI that will let Hillary go free for multiple felonies that put national security and American lives at risk.

  • reggiec

    Law enforcement descriptions of the events surrounding the killing of Mr. Finicum are over the top BS!

    First they keep referring to the incident as a “traffic stop”. I was in law enforcement for over 28 years and I have never heard of or seen a “traffic stop” that has a barricaded road a mile up the road with back shooting snipers hidden in the woods.

    They say he charged the officers. More BS! He was walking in the snow parallel to the road with his arms outstretched to the side until he flinched and seemed to grab his left side in pain twice. (Gunshot strikes?) He never is shown with a gun in his hands. They claim he had a 9mm semi auto pistol in his pocket. He did not like semi-autos and when armed carried a revolver on his right side in a holster.

    Will an autopsy show how many times and where Finicum was shot?

    Law enforcement also claims only three shots were fired. More BS! Watch the video after Finicum was shot. There are puffs of snow from bullet strikes flying up along the passenger side of the white truck as flash bang grenades are being thrown. No one in the truck fired or displayed a weapon of any kind.

    Will an honest investigation reveal how many holes there are in the truck?

    In my humble opinion this incident was a coordinated ambush/assassination to take out the leadership of the protesters.

  • TruthSeeker

    The problem is that the Government has the right to prosecute you but you can’t prosecute them unless you survive their bullets – – How come so many reports are coming out like citizen gets shot for not wearing a seat belt, citizen gets choked to death for selling cigarettes, etc.???- – – Our law enforcement (some bad apples) are out of control – – That isn’t the problem as much as the protection they are getting from the higher ups and until that gets fixed we are all at risk – –